Religion Religion's of TS and why one follows the one they do.

[Zachowon]

From Atheists to the most religious of the Christians. We all have religions, and we all believe what we do for various reasons. Perhaps someone grew up in a very strict household and following one's own works better than feeling forced to follow one. Perhaps finding one helped make your life better.

My take on religion is weird and I can be considered a heretic by the Abrahamic religions, and by the Pagans. I personally see the one God, the one who created us all is still the lord and the one true God. Though the greeks, Egyptians, and the like all looked at it with multiple aspects of life.
I see it as perhaps an aspect of God is one worth going towards should it help with how focuses on life. I classify as a Christian Pagan, as I see the pagan gods, the polytheistic ones, is just God split up in their minds to worship various aspects. Though one could also see them as Saints in a way for those that are catholic. These gods are just another version of saints or angels. Various aspects of God himself which help perhaps understand the greatness of him easier in some ways.
I personally follow the Religio Romana, with favor to Mars and Bellona as I am a soldier. I often have Minerva in there as well depending on what is going on. I see them as an Aspect of God that offers protection to those that are there to help protect those they do not know, even those that do not follow the same thing they do. I think of it like how the Crusaders were about the homeland, a reason I follow Bellona, Mars, and Minerva. They are the deities that focus on War in aspects. All three provide protection to the followers of them in battle, and offer their hand in combat at times, to provide the ones that follow them to victory. Bellona and Mars superficially. Minerva is of strategy, and during times when I know it will be helpful, to her it comes to allow me to succeed at that level for exercises and the like.

Tell me about yours and why you believe in yours, perhaps listen to what others think.

THIS IS NOT A THREAD TO JUDGE AND DEMEAN PEOPLE OF THEIR RELIGION
Please treat everyone's religion with respect and be civil. Be open to see why they think what they do. What they believe. Maybe you can understand why they think that. Maybe you won't.

We all know how things can differ within one religion, let alone when looking at others.

Let's discuss and hope we can understand how others think religiously

 

[Guncannon]

I don't believe in any religion, but I'll still practice certain aspects of them. Like, I used to try to adhere to the eightfold path, because I believed I could reach buddhahood, but because it was a path of individualism and a way to be a good person to others. I grew up around toxic as fuck Christians, so I've left that faith behind me. Jesus and parts of the Torah had good ideas, but in my opinion Abrahamic and Abrahamic-based religions cultivate Pharisees based on the way they're structured and the communal principles of them.

Now I'm currently invested in Taoism and seeing how well it can apply to 21 century living in a Western country

 

[Deleted member]

I am a Filyani, or Madrian (since that was the original name), a small religious movement which held to a triune monotheism--a Hindu or Dharmic understanding of the Triple Goddess in the West--which it regards as the modern providential teaching derived from the true original religion of humanity, the Sophia Perennis, which was the worship of the Great Mother in primordial times.

This view of history is congruent with the cycle of Ages, in which, during the Golden Age, the world was less immanent and material and has since become more material as it declined toward the current Kali Yuga, or Age of Iron. In the process the religion of Our Mother was steadily overtaken by Patriarchy. Therefore, I am absolutely a Creationist, because I regard the current situation of science and its view of history to be true only at a single point of time, in a very material age, and a mere reflection of the Real Truth, which is necessarily that of Spirit.

Functionally, in philosophical terms, the religion requires strict adherence to Neo-Platonist philosophy's core essentials. We reject the relevance of the physical world as more than a rough painting of the true and natural spiritual realm, a painting which has changed over time in the cycle of ages.

While the modern Filianic movement--first being organised at Oxford in the 1950s or 1960s with some antecedents in the Golden Dawn stretching back to the 1890s or 1900--is highly fractured and has many different interpretations of proper living, the Orthodox Filyani--of which I am one--follow the teachings of the Madrians, which were strictly conservative, and against feminism as being unsupportive of Maid's true nature, which was inherently feminine. To wit, we believe in the primacy of Maid, but stemming from the Hestia, or Home-life, and that the Home-life should dominate societal decision-making processes. To this end I try to reflect spirituality in my home life, maintaining a home altar, having a very nice 1890s vintage wood stove for cooking, especially in the winter months (though sadly I haven't used it lately due to air quality concerns and COVID19), and turning to more local and natural ingredients and cooking from basic elements. Orthodox Filyani also eschew the wearing of pants or "bifurcs", and cover our heads in most mixed company.

The essential social philosophy is usually called "Feminine Essentialism", and represents a kind of belief in an absolute Divine Aesthetic, in which representing the Divine through proper comportment, dress, appearance and mannerism is a necessary part of righteous living. Swearing is considered deeply immoral, and a sin against Thamё, which loosely translates as "Order, Harmony and Niceness" and governs comprehensively one's conduct in the material world to make it an expression of one's spiritual nature, essentially bringing the lived material plain into congruence with the natural spiritual order, as a reflection of the divine rule of Our Mother.

Most cultural developments since the 1960s are considered anti-aesthetic, influenced by "The Pit", the morass of anti-culture created during the Eclipse of the 1960s, when the last remnants of the Divine Aesthetic in western patriarchal culture were extinguished by the counter-culture movement; this is held true with, as noted, a few exceptions, one of them being some of the higher Japanese anime, due to influence from the less damaged culture of the East and its pure and clean aesthetic, but this is judged on the basis of childlike aesthetic. Approaching Our Mother as a child to a Mother is a critical part of religious practice, and assumes the purification of the mind with meditation and turning away from material thoughts and concerns to reach her in perfect simplicity. To be honest, for an intellectual like myself, it's very hard, but we are all given different Gifts and Talents by her, and some mean different things about how we must approach our spiritual development. Another key consideration therefore is that the general social anti-aesthetic of the modern world, and its up-is-down, right-is-wrong values must be generally rejected and that feeds a natural congruence of my own beliefs with the rural western conservatism I was raised in. Being polite to others and modest is critical for ethical behaviour.

We believe in reincarnation, and hold that our ultimate objective is the reunification of our Souls with Her, which are but dim reflections of Her light, in Moksha, or a breaking of the bonds of the wheel of reincarnation.

Our principle religious text is the Holy Book called The Clear Recital.

 

[Abhorsen]

I'm an atheist because I seem fundamentally incapable of believing in something I cannot prove exists. I'm not insisting there is no god, more saying I have seen no evidence for one, and thus by Occam, I disbelieve. This is totally up to change if someone can convince me (I think @LordsFire might have expressed interest in discussing this at one point? Still open to that if true.)

 

[Deleted member]

@Abhorsen I wouldn't mind explaining how I think it can be logically shown, through inductive reasoning, that the universe must be the immanent creation of God.

 

[Abhorsen]

@Abhorsen I wouldn't mind explaining how I think it can be logically shown, through inductive reasoning, that the universe must be the immanent creation of God.

Sure, I'm open to that. I can get nitpicky about these things (I'm a mathematician by training), and I seem utterly unable to make the faith jump, so fair warning, but I do hope you succeed, if that makes any sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure, I'm open to that. I can get nitpicky about these things (I'm a mathematician by training), so fair warning, but I do hope you succeed, if that makes any sense.

Oh, don't worry. I will start a different thread for it, when I get home from the short little trip I am on tonight.

 

[Zachowon]

@Abhorsen I wouldn't mind explaining how I think it can be logically shown, through inductive reasoning, that the universe must be the immanent creation of God.

Sure, I'm open to that. I can get nitpicky about these things (I'm a mathematician by training), and I seem utterly unable to make the faith jump, so fair warning, but I do hope you succeed, if that makes any sense.

Oh, don't worry. I will start a different thread for it, when I get home from the short little trip I am on tonight.

This thread is sorta for that in general. Discussion of religion in anyway one can. If someone is looking to have their mind change a good way to do it honestly

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Christianity with this speech as it's main philosophy.


I can't prove God's existence, I can't prove my faith over any other, but I can say God is worth believing in and that's that, the faith, is the faith. It's not meant to be proven by it's nature by physical 'proof' merely believed in, and I think it's in a way Gods will that it's that way, to separate the faithful from the non-faithful because gaining an understanding of what you cannot prove is more insightful than something easily proved.

 

[Abhorsen]

Christianity with this speech as it's main philosophy.


I can't prove God's existence, I can't prove my faith over any other, but I can say God isworth believing in and that's that, the faith, is the faith. It's not meant to be proven by nature or physical 'proof' merely believed in and I think it's in a way Gods will that it's that way to separate the faithful from the non-faithful because gaining an understanding of what you cannot prove is more insightful than something easily proved.

I get that some people can do this. And I somewhat respect it. But I cannot. I've given it a go, and I just feel like I'm lying to myself, and if there is a god, then I'd be lying to that god as well. Hence why I am an atheist. Maybe this changes and I start believing. I doubt this will happen, but I'd rather believe in a life after death than nothing.

 

[ShieldWife]

I’m an atheist and this is part of generally being a skeptic and a naturalist. I find claims that god(s) exist either to lack sufficient evidence and/or there is evidence to the contrary. I can’t say with complete certainty that god(s) don’t exist, and I’d love to see convincing evidence that I’m wrong, but I feel pretty confident that atheism is true.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I'm an Atheist, but let's just say my view of things is that we can't reach anything close to a utopia, because humans are humans and specifically being, humans are horrible animals whose animal instincts severely conflict with our ability to use reason and logic or be unbiased

Unfortunately, it is same said horrible animal instincts which drive us forward or give us a purpose to existence

Without love, selfishness, pride, greed, anger, sadness, curiosity and even envy. We would barely even bother to physically move.

Hell, it's those same instincts which would be responsible for the ambitions people have to build big things, gain new skills, go explore, go learn more, go grow up and marry the girl you love

Then things start fucking themselves over the moment people start becoming obsessed with stuff involving "others" whether it's going off to join a cult, obsessing over the praise you would get from others, wanting dominance and control over others, letting others do the thinking for you without a hint of doubt or contemplation, obsessing over how others have it better than you, obsessing over some "greater good" these others are proposing and so on

Either you become obsessed with being part of the herd or obsessed with having control over said herd....you really need to leave before you lose yourself

We are “social animals” of the worst sorts, either we are obsessed with “following” or we are obsessed with “dominating”, don't be fooled by claims of "virtue" from either when they start doing the worst shit

 

[Aldarion]

Personally, I am a low-key panentheist. I generally do not think much of such things, but I find that the idea of God having his presence throughout the entire reality has some inherent appeal.

 

[Terthna]

I'm an Agnostic Theist. So while I believe that some sort of greater power, and/or existence beyond our ability to comprehend exists; I also believe every attempt thus far to describe what it/they are, and what it/they wants from us, is conjecture at best, and delusion at worst. Nobody actually knows anything; and personally, I'd rather we'd just accept our ignorance gracefully.

 

[Cherico]

I belive that 10% is a fair tip.

 

[Zachowon]

I belive that 10% is a fair tip.

You sir are a MONSTER!

 

[Navarro]

Non-denominational Christianity - formerly atheist. Converted due to being convinced of the historical verity of the New Testament narratives and the OT prophecies of Christ's coming, and several experiences in which I felt God's presence in prayer.

 

[Syzygy]

Born into and nominally Roman Catholic, closer to a Sedevacantist in practice, so I am dubiously heretical. Hurray.

I believe Catholic doctrine can lead people to salvation whilst providing the framework to support the continuity of a semi-functional society. That is, despite its imperfections. Founded by Christ, the Catholic church is nonetheless a very human institution and beholden to the same flaws as those charged with keeping it. I also believe it is no business of mine or other adherents to proselytize nonbelievers; true faith cannot be forced, it only breeds enmity.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I would regard myself as a "cultural" Christian, who very much embraces the tenets and traditions of the faith. In fact, I'd go so far as to view Christianity as a positive force in history. Aside from Buddhism, is there another faith with a good Samaritan story? Or that God loves all, even sinners?

As for "belief in god", I would regard myself as agnostic. "The Science" picks apart so many of the stories of the bible (when in fact you are better off viewing those as moral stories in the vein of Aesop) but I've seen mere belief in God get people through some terrible times, and even grant peace to the dying. I myself once visited the supposed House of the Virgin Mary (was on holiday in Turkey) and it may well have been my brain tricking me, but I felt something in there. I quite nearly found religion then and there, but the moment was fleeting. Still, I dwell on that feeling to this day.

If there is a God, father and creator of all things, then I should honour him. If there is not, the teachings of the Holy Book are entirely worthwhile and the bedrock of out great civilisation. Either way, still don't bloody know and won't until I hurtle through the pearly gates. If on the other side there's a green field and a very familiar looking chap with a beard tending to his flock, I suppose there'll be an apology in order.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I would regard myself as a "cultural" Christian, who very much embraces the tenets and traditions of the faith. In fact, I'd go so far as to view Christianity as a positive force in history. Aside from Buddhism, is there another faith with a good Samaritan story? Or that God loves all, even sinners?

As for "belief in god", I would regard myself as agnostic. "The Science" picks apart so many of the stories of the bible (when in fact you are better off viewing those as moral stories in the vein of Aesop) but I've seen mere belief in God get people through some terrible times, and even grant peace to the dying. I myself once visited the supposed House of the Virgin Mary (was on holiday in Turkey) and it may well have been my brain tricking me, but I felt something in there. I quite nearly found religion then and there, but the moment was fleeting. Still, I dwell on that feeling to this day.

If there is a God, father and creator of all things, then I should honour him. If there is not, the teachings of the Holy Book are entirely worthwhile and the bedrock of out great civilisation. Either way, still don't bloody know and won't until I hurtle through the pearly gates. If on the other side there's a green field and a very familiar looking chap with a beard tending to his flock, I suppose there'll be an apology in order.

This is roughly how I feel I even attend church but only because I believe it benefits my kids to do so.