republicans storm secrect inquries

LifeisTiresome

Well-known member
And another thing, you sure Conservatives aren’t the reason for censorship of entertainment before? The less successful at dividing and invading fandoms and creators “Moral Guardians” were a thing
Conservatives or evangelicals anyway did try censorship before. They just sucked at it and didn't have companies supporting them.

The leftists are worse then the conservatives as they are actually censoring shit and wining at it.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Conservatives or evangelicals anyway did try censorship before. They just sucked at it and didn't have companies supporting them.

The leftists are worse then the conservatives as they are actually censoring shit and wining at it.

They shouldn't have tried it before, they became a weapon to use against the ones they once oppressed by the new oppressors.

Also, I can somehow see guys like John Ringo and Larry Correia laughing them off even in the pre-2010's....and they're Conservatives themselves
 

Scottty

Well-known member
Founder
Well, the “affirmative action” is done under the assumption that even with this free and equal under the eyes of the law sort of stuff, those “minorities” are left to the mercies of people who may choose or not choose to be bigots

Also, economic circumstances can be inherited or worsened by the generation, there is the believe that the only way to help the majority of these people is NOT through charities and entrepreneurship but constantly enforced government help

Thereby making sure that those poor, needy, downtrodden, powerless "minorities" stay poor, needy, downtrodden and powerless.

And another thing, you sure Conservatives aren’t the reason for censorship of entertainment before? The less successful at dividing and invading fandoms and creators “Moral Guardians” were a thing
Though, those guys didn’t look Free Market Capitalistic enough

That is a different topic - and yes, censorship has been attempted by people from both sides, but for different reasons.
Also - the Right doesn't keep changing what it wants to censor, let alone retroctively applying the new rules, the way the Left does.
 

Vyor

My influence grows!
Dude.

There is racism on both sides, I promise I can find Republicans that are racist, and parts of the US that still have segregation signs up that have never been bothered with. That's not the point.

My point had nothing to do with race besides the fact that Democrats were southerners, with the slave owners holding economic power who wanted slavery.

While I didn't state it, because I felt it was obvious with how I pointed out the average democratic vs. The extremists who would want slavery.

My reasoning for the Democrats of the past wanting to be Republicans is due to their stances on states rights and rigorous stance on foreign policy and military.

Republicans have traditionally been warhawks my dude, dems were always the party of pacifism there. And there were a few northern states that were dem.

And another thing, you sure Conservatives aren’t the reason for censorship of entertainment before? The less successful at dividing and invading fandoms and creators “Moral Guardians” were a thing

Hilariously enough, no. A large portion of the pushers there were democrat still.
 

LordSunhawk

Das BOOT (literally)
Owner
Administrator
Staff Member
Founder
The Boot is being forced, by popular demand no less, to actually do something this morning when the Boot would rather lase about by the pool while shoe-shine girls do their thing... if you know what the Boot means and the Boot thinks you do.

Please try and refrain from zingy one-liners in debate, it may not be against the rules but it raises the likelihood of a rule 2c violation. The Boot loves a lively debate, and there is a thread devoted to memes and such, so please confine your wit and meme-skills there. Here, let us talk about the impeachment hearings being stormed by Republican congressmen, yes?

The Boot thanks you all in advance for your cooperation, and begs you to not disturb the Boot for a few hours. The boot sees a fresh tin of wax with the Boots name on it.
 

Speaker4thesilent

Crazed Deplorable
Looking at this from outside, this idea of painting the Republicans as having somehow "exchanged places" with the Democrats is pretty ridiculous. It's the sort of thing that requires the people pushing it to believe things that they know aren't true.

Let's take a walk through history:

19th cent:
Democrat Policy: Supporting slavery
Republican Policy: Equality of all before the law, regardless of race.

Early 20th
Democrat Policy: Segregation and "Jim Crow"
Republican Policy: Equality of all before the law, regardless of race.

Late 20th to early 21st
Democrat Policy: Affirmative action, racial quotas, special "protected" groups with extra rights
Republican Policy: Equality of all before the law, regardless of race.

So the Dems all along are the people who believe that people should be treated differently depending on their skin colour. They've just changed the details of what different treatment it should be.

While the Donkey dances around, the Elephant stands there unmoving.
May be the best summary of a refutation of that argument that I’ve ever seen.
 

Cherico

Well-known member
Thereby making sure that those poor, needy, downtrodden, powerless "minorities" stay poor, needy, downtrodden and powerless.



That is a different topic - and yes, censorship has been attempted by people from both sides, but for different reasons.
Also - the Right doesn't keep changing what it wants to censor, let alone retroctively applying the new rules, the way the Left does.

this is also why left wing dictatorships tend to be a whole lot more murderous then right wing ones.
 

Vyor

My influence grows!
Eh, both of the main parties like to censor stuff. Funny thing is, while it used to be either sex or violence depending on the party, they both like to censor both things now, it's just that their reasons for doing so are different from each other now.

Outside of a few "it's those damn video games" you hear from a boomer or two every now and again, what has the right said recently pushing towards censorship?
 

S'task

Renegade Philosopher
Administrator
Staff Member
Founder
I've broken this down before, but all late 20th century censorship pushes were done by a bipartisan selection of the country, starting from the 1980s Dungeons and Dragons scare to the late 90s video game moral panic. In point of fact, the only states to actually push censorship laws on video games in the late 90s / early 00s, which ended up running afoul of the 1st Amendment, were Democrat controlled states (California and Illinois, IIRC). So while you certainly had right wing moral panic about video games (Jack Thompson was certainly a member of the religious right, though he's certainly softened his stance since the heyday), they never actually passed laws attempting to censor them... that was on the Dems.

Likewise the "evil rap and rock" music folks were led by the avowed right winger Tipper Gore, wife of the certainly conservative Al Gore who was Vice President at the time and a member of the very Republican controlled Bill Clinton administration. Oh wait, sorry, that was the Mirror Universe, Tipper was a left winger, her husband was quite liberal and the Clinton Administration was Democrat... my bad.

But yeah, the moral panics of the late 20th century were almost universally bipartisan, with leaders coming from both sides, but the worst laws and ideas coming from the Dems...
 

S'task

Renegade Philosopher
Administrator
Staff Member
Founder
There's no single article on this, so let's touch on the three big Moral Panics folks remember from the 80s and 90s (there were more, for instance, the "Repressed Memories / Daycare Sexual Abuse" moral panic but that didn't get into censorship.

So, let's start at the top with the Dungeons and Dragons moral panic of the 1980s. Firstly, this panic never got so far as to spawn any legislation, but did serve as a major poisoning point between Geekdom and the Religious Right (which is kinda sad really, seeing how fantasy as a genre has considerable roots in worldviews that align closely with the religious right and the Grandfather and Godfather of modern fantasy (Tolkien and Lewis) are both lionized by the religious right). Firstly, the moral panic around DnD chiefly started with the disappearance of James Egbert and its fictionalization in the novel Mazes and Monsters by Rona Jaffe in 1981. Those involved in the Egbert suicide and investigation were entirely politically unmotivated as far as I can tell. Later, after Irving Pulling, a gamer, commited suicide in 1982 his mother fixated on RPGs as the cause of his death and formed the advocacy group "B.A.D.D." While she certainly took a religious stance against DnD, by herself she wasn't very visible, no, it was the mainstream media special on 60 Minutes that catapulted it all into the public consciousness along with the 1982 made for TV movie based on the aforementioned novel that pushed it into full blown moral panic mode. Even in the 1980s one would be hard pressed to call Hollywood and the media bastions of social conservatives, though I will admit that the ideas did catch on much more within the religious right, but thus, the origin of the moral panic and propagation of it was distinctly bipartisan.

The next big moral panic was the Dirty Music Panic of the 1980s and early 90s. This one is pretty easy to show how it was bipartisan, since one of the chief pushers of this panic was the Parents Music Resource Center, which was founded by the wives of four politicians and doners, the politicians were from across the political spectrum, but most notably Tipper Gore, wife of then Democratic senator and later Vice President Al Gore.

Finally, let's dig into the Video Game Panic of the late 90s and early 00s. There can be no denying that the right wing was involved here as Jack Thompson is clearly a member of the religious right. However, despite Thompson being the face, there was considerable involvement from some very prominent left wing individuals. The most notable instance of this was the push for the Family Entertainment Protection Act, which was a bill basically to force rating onto the video game industry and otherwise censor them. The person who introduced the bill? Then Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. It's cosponsors? All Democrats. If that's not showcasing just how bipartisan this issue was, consider this, in 2011 the US Supreme Court struck down the California law restricting the sale of video games to minors and formally extending 1st Amendment protections to Video Games in a 7-2 decision, written by Scalia. The two dissenting opinions? One by Thomas (a conservative) and the other by Breyer (a Liberal). But that case brings us to my earlier statement about it being liberals who passed the laws, you see the California law in question was brought forward by the now infamous Leland Yee, a Democrat. In 2005 both houses of the California government were held by Democrats and while the governator was a Republican, nobody would seriously call him a conservative.
 

Edgeplay_cgo

Well-known member
Republicans have traditionally been warhawks my dude, dems were always the party of pacifism there. And there were a few northern states that were dem.

Let's see, wars started by, or waged by Democrat presidents:

War of 1812
Civil War
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
 

HistoryMinor

Well-known member
Let's see, wars started by, or waged by Democrat presidents:

War of 1812
Civil War
WWI
WWII
Korea
Vietnam
War of 1812: Pre Jacksonian, let's not be ridiculous. The Democratic Republicans hadn't split yet.

Civil War: Southern slavers who were pro states rights and pro white supremacy

WW1: Remember the Lusitania and Belgium, fuck the Kaiser

WW2: Remember Pearl Harbor, fuck Tojo and the Nazis

Korea: I could have sworn that was Ike's war, but okay. Fuck the Kim's

Vietnam: Republicans escalated it, also I don't get why you people assume the two main parties werent two sides of the same coin when it came to the cold war. They all hated commies.
 

Cherico

Well-known member
War of 1812: Pre Jacksonian, let's not be ridiculous. The Democratic Republicans hadn't split yet.

Civil War: Southern slavers who were pro states rights and pro white supremacy

WW1: Remember the Lusitania and Belgium, fuck the Kaiser

WW2: Remember Pearl Harbor, fuck Tojo and the Nazis

Korea: I could have sworn that was Ike's war, but okay. Fuck the Kim's

Vietnam: Republicans escalated it, also I don't get why you people assume the two main parties werent two sides of the same coin when it came to the cold war. They all hated commies.

Civil war- yes southern slavers were members of the democratic party that's a part of the parties history weather you like it or not.

WW1- I don't blame the dems for getting into this one it was less the lusitania and more the zimmerman telegram. The germans were stupid when it came to diplomacy and it screwed them.

WW2- there was no way for us to avoid getting into this one, Japan was high off of victory disease and the nazi's were nazis.

Korea- Yes the dems got us into this one but it was started by the communists, also Ike ended the war he inherited.

Vietnam- A total clusterfuck all around, that we should have stayed out of and tried to create another tito. Instead we went full retard. Now an ally because they hate china with the force of a thousand suns.
 

HistoryMinor

Well-known member
Civil war- yes southern slavers were members of the democratic party that's a part of the parties history weather you like it or not.

WW1- I don't blame the dems for getting into this one it was less the lusitania and more the zimmerman telegram. The germans were stupid when it came to diplomacy and it screwed them.

WW2- there was no way for us to avoid getting into this one, Japan was high off of victory disease and the nazi's were nazis.

Korea- Yes the dems got us into this one but it was started by the communists, also Ike ended the war he inherited.

Vietnam- A total clusterfuck all around, that we should have stayed out of and tried to create another tito. Instead we went full retard. Now an ally because they hate china with the force of a thousand suns.

98% of people who wave Confederate flags nowadays are Republicans, as are the state's rights people. The parties flipped after the war, people love to ignore the push for silver, the bull moose schism and FDR fundamentally changing the country.
 

Vyor

My influence grows!
98% of people who wave Confederate flags nowadays are Republicans, as are the state's rights people. The parties flipped after the war, people love to ignore the push for silver, the bull moose schism and FDR fundamentally changing the country.

The states rights thing was pushed and created by dems.

But that doesn't mean the people who believe it are pro-racism.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
The states rights thing was pushed and created by dems.

But that doesn't mean the people who believe it are pro-racism.

Still huge idiots for waving said flags around

It’s like openly worshipping Satan whilst still having catholic values and rules


Like the “Satanists” mentioned in this series
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top