Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Vaermina]

They're definitely en route to defeat, but it isn't over until it's over. They could have a sudden attack of competence. It doesn't seem likely, but it's theoretically possible, and if Ukraine loses western support, they're in deep trouble.

Um, no, it's far too late for a sudden attack of competence to matter.

Even if Russia could somehow train all it's new conscripts up to minimum NATO standards, Russia just straight up doesn't have the equipment or logistics anymore to successfully take Ukraine.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

This is what communism does to a country.
It will take hundreds of years to fix this.

This was done well before Communism took over. I mean, the Russians idolize Ivan the Terrible, because they like what he did. That should tell you a lot right there.

 

[LordsFire]

Um, no, it's far too late for a sudden attack of competence to matter.

Even if Russia could somehow train all it's new conscripts up to minimum NATO standards, Russia just straight up doesn't have the equipment or logistics anymore to successfully take Ukraine.

I'm not going to make or support an absolute statement like that. Crazy things have happened IRL, and can continue to happen. Before the war started, almost everybody thought Ukraine would get rolled; at best they'd inflict more damage than expected.

At this point, I do expect the Ukrainians to win. That doesn't mean that defeat is outside of the realm of possibility.

 

[Cherico]

This is what communism does to a country.
It will take hundreds of years to fix this.

No....just no.

Seriously the Russians have been a bag of dicks even before the reign of Ivan the terrible, Moscow got its start by selling out other slavs to the mongols as a gleefully willing collaberator turning upon their masters the minute they thought they could be top dog. This is a culture that has been some what slimy since the word go.

 

[AmosTrask]

LOL looks like you should add low literacy to that list of self-descriptors. I said you're at the same levels of deluded as a woketard and a Commie. Plenty of non-woketards and non-Commies with that. Like the Lincoln Project wankers. Oh, and you!

As for your guess at my origins, fukkin LOL. Try "naturalized US citizen of Asian origin with a seething hatred for illegals". Hey, add another similarity of yours to woketards: you thinking anyone who believes "the senior citizen pedo at the White House is better than Trump" to be delusional is some Good Old Boy. Keep seething.

Wrong actually. Not American or in the same continent.

I have nothing against Illegals they run the economy. They work hard, pay taxes, and do the work no citizen wants to do. It's foolish to hate them.

No, you didn't call me Commie or woketard merely implied.

Alleged pedo (an accusation from the Trump camp mind you) vs Self Proffessed Sexual Predator and Boastful of it, actual pedo, Racist Slum Landlord, Confidence man, and fucker who had hundreds of millions of dollars in bed with Putin's proxies.

No points for the Asian guess. I stated directly that I was an Asian.

You know I prefer the Nazis over here when they March they have open symbols and torches. They're very honest and direct with their hatred. I find it funny your brand have to go through the mental gymnastics of using Tiki torches to avoid being associated with your beloved Hitler.

 

[AmosTrask]

No....just no.

Seriously the Russians have been a bag of dicks even before the reign of Ivan the terrible, Moscow got its start by selling out other slavs to the mongols as a gleefully willing collaberator turning upon their masters the minute they thought they could be top dog. This is a culture that has been some what slimy since the word go.

Well yes. It's how they successfully rebelled against their liege lord the King of Ruthenia. The rebel faction in Moscow swore allegiance to the Khan to gain control of the Kingdom of Ruthenia(Ukraine/Kyivan Rus) when the king died without declaring an heir. The succession crisis allowed the Muscovite minor princes push what they thought was a puppet as their king. Then betrayed the Mongols and declared themselves the Russian Empire. Then proceeded to carry out centuries of cultural and actual genocide on other Slavs. Whom they referred to with the pejorative "Little Russians."

 

[Cherico]

Wrong actually. Not American or in the same continent.

No, you didn't call me Commie or woketard merely implied.

Alleged pedo (an accusation from the Trump camp mind you) vs Self Proffessed Sexual Predator and Boastful of it, actual pedo, Racist Slum Landlord, Confidence man, and fucker who had hundreds of millions of dollars in bed with Putin's proxies.

No points for the Asian guess. I stated that directly that I was an Asian.

You know I prefer the Nazis over here when they March they have open symbols and torches. They're very honest and direct with their hatred. I find it funny your brand have to go through the mental gymnastics of using Tiki torches to avoid being associated with your beloved Hitler.

All right I am kind of really fucking sick of people comparing all right wing groups to hitler who was an open socialist.

I mean its the german workers socialist party does that sound right wing? Its national socialist notice the latter part? Second the united states and other countries are going to have conservative movements because cultures tend to have stuff worth conserving. Too much change too fast can have really bad fucking outcomes and utopian dreams can very quickly turn into god damn dystopic nightmare worlds.

And also its my firm prediction that giving hormon blockers to kids, and doing gender reasignment on minors is going to be looked upon as our generations horrific cringe night mare. Just like Lobotomies which were also championed by the left, and eugenics which were also championed by the left.....

 

[AmosTrask]

All right I am kind of really fucking sick of people comparing all right wing groups to hitler who was an open socialist.

I mean its the german workers socialist party does that sound right wing? Its national socialist notice the latter part? Second the united states and other countries are going to have conservative movements because cultures tend to have stuff worth conserving. Too much change too fast can have really bad fucking outcomes and utopian dreams can very quickly turn into god damn dystopic nightmare worlds.

And also its my firm prediction that giving hormon blockers to kids, and doing gender reasignment on minors is going to be looked upon as our generations horrific cringe night mare. Just like Lobotomies which were also championed by the left, and eugenics which were also championed by the left.....

I happen to agree with everything you've said. I believe every boy should be taught how to be strong, independent and morally upright members of society. A little machismo would help too. Young ladies should be educated, erudite, have access to STEM fields if traditional homemaker is not what they want. I don't agree with women in the military if they can't pass the same standards as the male recruits.

I was referring to the idiots in the KKK, the various Neo Nazi and faux "Aryan" groups. Those ridiculous pansies marching with Tiki torches, or the brainwashed lunatics who attacked the capitol for their Orange self-Proffessed Rapist God. Not all conservatives.

 

[Cherico]

I happen to agree with everything you've said. I was referring to the idiots in the KKK, the various Neo Nazi and faux "Aryan" groups. Those ridiculous pansies marching with Tiki torches, or the brainwashed lunatics who attacked the capitol for their Orange self-Proffessed Rapist God. Not all conservatives.

The KKK was the single worst thing the democrats ever created, and I really do not like Neo Nazis I also don't get them. Why larp as a bunch of losers who couldn't even make it 10 years when there are so many much better and more stylish cultures to larp as.

I mean why not some winged hussars, or rome, or the other cool much cooler shit that lasted.

 

[AmosTrask]

The KKK was the single worst thing the democrats ever created, and I really do not like Neo Nazis I also don't get them. Why larp as a bunch of losers who couldn't even make it 10 years when there are so many much better and more stylish cultures to larp as.



I mean why not some winged hussars, or rome, or the other cool much cooler shit that lasted.

Exactly. Or if they want Evil they could LARP the Ottomans. I still laugh when I see a non-Iranian call themselves Aryans. Pure European with not a single drop of blood from any of the tribes of the Iranian Plateau.



Minor correction Eugenics were championed by the whole political spectrum. Mainly the wealthy and the Upper Classes. It was another way for them to control the population of poor people.

 

[AmosTrask]

Evacuation of Kherson announced by the Russian occupation Governor. It looks like my guess was right. The Russians are running.

 

[Cherico]

Evacuation of Kherson announced by the Russian occupation Governor. It looks like my guess was right. The Russians are running.

I don't think my violin is small enough to play for them.

 

[Bacle]

I don't think my violin is small enough to play for them.

Don't get comfortable.

It also means Russian personnel are outside the immediate blast zone if Putin goes mega-retard and hit's Kherson with a tac-nuke.

I am concerned that the way Russia is carrying out it's retreats, and it's domestic situation (ball-bearing shortage that will turbo-fuck heavy manufacturing for a decade or so, at best) means Putin and who ever is left from his inner circle after the purges, may be approaching a 'use-it-or-lose-it/YOLO' domestic, and possibly medical, situation.

It also means things more mundane, like say chlorine gas, could be safely used against Ukrainian troops.

 

[Cherico]

Don't get comfortable.

It also means Russian personnel are outside the immediate blast zone if Putin goes mega-retard and hit's Kherson with a tac-nuke.

I am concerned that the way Russia is carrying out it's retreats, and it's domestic situation (ball-bearing shortage that will turbo-fuck heavy manufacturing for a decade or so, at best) means Putin and who ever is left from his inner circle after the purges, may be approaching a 'use-it-or-lose-it/YOLO' domestic, and possibly medical, situation.

It also means things more mundane, like say chlorine gas, could be safely used against Ukrainian troops.

The goal is to bleed the russian war machine and fight to the very last Ukranian if need be to do so. The point is to bleed them out in Ukraine so that they will be that much weaker when they fight Nato in the next part of their planed series of wars or Ideally kick them out of Ukraine having bleed them white.

Yes the Russians will most likely use gas and do war crimes but the russian milatary is all about war crimes, its who they are. Ukrains choice is to fight and die for freedom or die as Russian rape slaves. No matter what the option the russians will be dicks so you might as well make their lives hell.

 

[AmosTrask]

Well found an accurately translated recording that's gone viral in Georgia. It's a Russian conscript talking to a Georgian friend from his hospital room in Rostov na Donu.

The officers are incompetent fat bastards hiding far in the rear and only appear near the fighting if higher officers are coming for inspection. No discipline, no command, all chaotic as hell. No food or water, barely working guns, plenty of ammo though.

The YouTuber is a Russian who is now Ukrainian and stayed in Ukraine I believe.



If they are down to this after only 6 months of war. They are never going to win. Which is good. All the bullshit they were spewing about Poland and Romania being next after Ukraine is pacified has got a lot of people here in Eastern Europe nervous. And quite a lot of Russian tourists and expatriots assaulted.

 

[Pocky Balboa]

Wrong actually. Not American or in the same continent.

Showing that low literacy skill again. When did I even say you were American? Nothing was even implied with anything I posted that would indicate that.

I have nothing against Illegals they run the economy. They work hard, pay taxes, and do the work no citizen wants to do. It's foolish to hate them.

I don't give a fuck about your opinions on the illegals, nor did I ask for them. Even more so with you repeating woketard nonsense.

No, you didn't call me Commie or woketard merely implied.

OK, you not only just have low literacy, you're utterly dense as well. Since I have the time, I am going to explain this to you as if you were a child: Nothing in any of my posts even implied I am calling you a Commie or a woketard. What I am implying is that you have some negative characteristics found in Commies and woketards, OK? See, with this magical tool called language, you can point out commonalities between two or more different things without saying they're the same thing!

Alleged pedo (an accusation from the Trump camp mind you) vs Self Proffessed Sexual Predator and Boastful of it, actual pedo, Racist Slum Landlord, Confidence man, and fucker who had hundreds of millions of dollars in bed with Putin's proxies.

Here's another similarity you have with the wokies: repeating MSM nonsense in the hopes that it becomes true.

Pro-tip: It won't.

No points for the Asian guess. I stated directly that I was an Asian.

...you have got to be kidding me. You're seriously a low English literacy ESOL? OK, once again, explaining this to you like you were a child: I was not guessing you were an Asian. I was giving you my description as a naturalized American of Asian origin, OK? Listen, if you're going to try to come at me with some pitiful trolling attempt, try to at least improve those English skills, otherwise it just looks sad.

You know I prefer the Nazis over here when they March they have open symbols and torches. They're very honest and direct with their hatred. I find it funny your brand have to go through the mental gymnastics of using Tiki torches to avoid being associated with your beloved Hitler.

Oh look another similarity to Commies and woketards: calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a Nazi.

Final pro-tip for you: pulling a Godwin means you have no argument of substance.

 

[Marduk]

It also means things more mundane, like say chlorine gas, could be safely used against Ukrainian troops.

It's not Syria. Chemical weapons in general work poorly against troops, especially such primitive ones, while Ukrainian troops with western kit are probably better equipped and trained to handle them than the Russians.
If they use them, it's for the psychological factor, and more likely than not against civilians.

 

[Terthna]

No....just no.

Seriously the Russians have been a bag of dicks even before the reign of Ivan the terrible, Moscow got its start by selling out other slavs to the mongols as a gleefully willing collaberator turning upon their masters the minute they thought they could be top dog. This is a culture that has been some what slimy since the word go.

That's not unique to the Russians. The Romans, for example, got their start abducting women and forcing them to bear their children. Everyone was a bag of dicks throughout most of human history, especially early on.

 

[Zachowon]

No group or person was perfect in history

 

[Blasterbot]

The KKK was the single worst thing the democrats ever created, and I really do not like Neo Nazis I also don't get them. Why larp as a bunch of losers who couldn't even make it 10 years when there are so many much better and more stylish cultures to larp as.

I mean why not some winged hussars, or rome, or the other cool much cooler shit that lasted.

while the Ideology is abhorrent Hugo Boss was a damn good designer. If in only the respect of fashion they definitely had a great uniform. if the LARP was just because of cool uniforms it would be better.

That's not unique to the Russians. The Romans, for example, got their start abducting women and forcing them to bear their children. Everyone was a bag of dicks throughout most of human history, especially early on.

I would argue it isn't just a historical phenomenon.