SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Of course, that's what the Dems want. They WANT anti-abortion terrorism. It will finally give them the right wing bogyman of terror that they've been trying to gin up with false flag FBI operations for years now. I just think they might be underestimating how bad the backlash will be.

It's kind of foolish of them to want this though, or they have really short memories because the Feds going after abortion bombers for clout in the 80s is what resulted in the mother of all backlashes against the institutions of power in the 90s.

This was the crap that led to Ruby Ridge and Waco which very nearly got the ATF and the FBI shutdown. The crackdown on the Jan 6th boomers and the vaccine nonsense resulted in an even worse loss of public trust and open hatred of people who work for the system.

If they push this, there's no guarantee the public won't emphatically be on the side of the religious right in this case.

Edit- this is not smart, this is how you end up with South American style right wing street violence and South American style "meh whatever not my problem. You deserve it" apathy for that from the middle class and the independent voters.


And that opens a whole number of doors the US hasn't opened since bleeding kansas.
 
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bintananth

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Obergefell absolutely should be overturned. It's legal reasoning is a mess.

Gay marriage should be allowed though, and that is a decently strong constitutional argument for it; it's just not the one made in Obergefell.

Roe was the wrong outcome reached with bad reasoning. Obergefell was (probably) the right outcome reached with bad reasoning.
Obergefell is an interesting case. Every circuit except for the 6th ruled that same-sex marriage bans were unconstitutional.

When SCOTUS weighed in on the issue same sex marriage was legal in 46 states and they'd already ruled that if a state says "that's a valid marriage" the federal government has to recognize it too. The reasoning they used fit with that reality.

Had the 6th Circuit ruled the other way SCOTUS would have said "cert denied" again when asked to hear the appeal before calling it a day.

Abortion is a much more heated issue which results in a lot of frothing at the mouth no matter what because the loudest voices have deafened themselves to any opinion on the issue which doesn't exactly match their own.
 

Sobek

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THERE GOES MY HERO...

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Airedale260

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And Manchim and Sinema have already said they will not support nuking the filibuster in order to pass abortion bills.

Yeah, they’re two people who a) know they work for their constituents rather than the Twitterati and b) also know what would happen if the shoe was om

THERE GOES MY HERO...

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Don’t see this on Kinzinger’s Twitter feed (no I don’t follow him but wanted to verify), but I’m also noticing poor spelling and grammar. I’m guessing this is a Russian bot or something because it has a distinct lack of articles (a, an, the), and “whisteblower” rather than “whistleblower.”

And if there is one thing government officials insist upon, it’s proper spelling and grammar.
 

Sobek

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Yeah, they’re two people who a) know they work for their constituents rather than the Twitterati and b) also know what would happen if the shoe was om



Don’t see this on Kinzinger’s Twitter feed (no I don’t follow him but wanted to verify), but I’m also noticing poor spelling and grammar. I’m guessing this is a Russian bot or something because it has a distinct lack of articles (a, an, the), and “whisteblower” rather than “whistleblower.”

And if there is one thing government officials insist upon, it’s proper spelling and grammar.

It's because I am pretty sure it's just a meme making fun of him for falling for a Hyde post before
 

Airedale260

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It's because I am pretty sure it's just a meme making fun of him for falling for a Hyde post before

Oh. I’ve never heard of Samuel Hyde so I was confused. Also being an online message board it’s hard to tell.

Never mind then, sorry!
 

Sailor.X

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The best way to really trigger the left is to show the actual aftermath of an abortion to the dead baby. Right now they make all of their arguments by words and emotions. The American people need to see the gruesome ugly aftermath of abortion. See them try to defend that. Pro life Groups need to spam the internet and local airwaves with PSAs and commercials showing the actual truth.
 

Agent23

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Babe wake up Libs of Tik Tok made a compilation


Again, why are they this affected by something that doesn't impact them personally.
Even if you were to drop those ugly land wales in a supermax prison the prisoners will keep fucking their "prison wives" and try to stay as far away from these disgusting creatures as possible.
Even Factory Farmed, testosterone pumped male pigs would probably find them too fat and disgusting and just "breed" each-other.

The best way to really trigger the left is to show the actual aftermath of an abortion to the dead baby. Right now they make all of their arguments by words and emotions. The American people need to see the gruesome ugly aftermath of abortion. See them try to defend that. Pro life Groups need to spam the internet and local airwaves with PSAs and commercials showing the actual truth.
That is one attempt of emotional manipulation "muh freedumb and waminz rights" replaced with another "OMFG think of the chillinz..."

You are basically walking into a trap the commie retards set up for you by diverting your attention from all of the real problems like the economy, creeping totalitarianism, and a dysfunctional, degenerate, incompetent and corrupt elite establishment.

Stop doing what your enemy wants to do.
 
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LordsFire

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That is one attempt of emotional manipulation "muh freedumb and waminz rights" replaced with another "OMFG think of the chillinz..."

You are basically walking into a trap the commie retards set up for you by diverting your attention from all of the real problems like the economy, creeping totalitarianism, and a dysfunctional, degenerate, incompetent and corrupt elite establishment.

Stop doing what your enemy wants to do.

You know, it is possible to have more than one issue in mind when one's engaging in political and cultural discourse?

Also, comparing 'People are actually being murdered and dismembered' to 'how dare these right-wingers expect women to deal with the consequences of their actions!' is extremely dishonest.
 

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It's kind of foolish of them to want this though, or they gave really short memories because the Feds going after abortion bombers for clout in the 80s is what resulted in the mother of all backlashes against the institutions of power in the 90s.

This was the crap that led to Ruby Ridge and Waco which very nearly got the ATF and the FBI shutdown. The crackdown on the Jan 6th boomers and the vaccine nonsense resulted in an even worse loss of public trust and open hatred of people who work for the system.

If they push this, there's no guarantee the public won't emphatically be on the side of the religious right in this case.

Edit- this is not smart, this is how you end up with South American style right wing street violence and South American style "meh whatever not my problem. You deserve it" apathy for that from the middle class and the independent voters.


And that opens a whole number of doors the US hasn't opened since bleeding kansas.
That's certainly not how they remember the 90s, and it's certainly not how they think it will go now, with the level of leftist institutional capture of government they've managed.

Here's the thing: right now, the actual right-wing violence they can manage to gin up or point to is all forms of racial violence. The issue with that is that the institutions and rank and file of the Right are all very much not within the framework of that kind of violence. The Republican party's position on race has been officially colorblind and against racial violence since the early 20th century. And while they can TRY and paint various Republican and Conservative policies as "racist" using Critical Race Theory, that doesn't tend to stick well outside of people who already religiously believe that the right wing are racists. Further nobody in the mainstream of the US right is calling for, say, bringing back segregation or Jim Crow laws. So while they can manage to label the right as racist, the only impact it has is on the voting booth, whenever they try and shift that from just labels into actionable legal ideas, well, everyone sees the overreach for what it is.

However, if you start getting violent anti-abortion terrorism going, suddenly you don't have these layers and layers of disconnect between the institutional right and the extremists. The Republican Party is, by it's very platform, anti-abortion and pro-life. The pro-life movement has been a core and highly visible component of the right wing coalition since the late 1970s. The dream of the left here is that if they can spur on anti-abortion violence, they can then use the anti-terrorism laws to go after all the pro-life institutions of the right in a way they could never have before, and make all sorts of arrests and property seizures, plus they can link the pro-life movement to so many high level politicians and movers and shakers on the right it would be a field day, they could criminalize 95% of their political opposition!

They seriously think that they will be able to control and contain the violence and basically usher in single party rule. It has never crossed their mind that they might be unable to, because, after all, they control all the institutions and that means they have all the power and the people are thus powerless.
 

Agent23

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You know, it is possible to have more than one issue in mind when one's engaging in political and cultural discourse?

Also, comparing 'People are actually being murdered and dismembered' to 'how dare these right-wingers expect women to deal with the consequences of their actions!' is extremely dishonest.
Perhaps, but this is an obvious strawman for you to go after before the midterms70% of people ar, and what gets the Republicans elected is the porous border, the mentally ill idiot driving US foreign policy, and THE DISMAL ECONOMY.
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Poll: About 7 in 10 Americans Say Biden Economy Is Terrible

>70% of people are dissatisfied with the economy and Biden's other gaffes.
it is a no brainer to focus on that and it impacts everyone.

You are being played.
 

Agent23

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Again, more than one issue can be pressed at a time. What is your odd fixation on trying to ignore this issue?
One, I am male and completely unaffected by it.
Two, more babies born out of wedlock means more taxes for my fellow MRAs in the USA.
Three, it is an emotionally loaded issue of the type the leftards love to play, as in, OMG you'd make poor, innocent waminz have incestuous rapebabies.
This is the stupid type of game that always wins you stupid prizes and the only winning move is not to play.
Four, it is neither a states rights issue, nor a federal issue, it is a constitutional issue, and the only sensible solution is for an amendment that defines what a living human being is.

Why are you so obsessed with this obvious strawman?
Is it because you glow in the dark?
 

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One, I am male and completely unaffected by it.
Two, more babies born out of wedlock means more taxes for my fellow MRAs in the USA.
Three, it is an emotionally loaded issue of the type the leftards love to play, as in, OMG you'd make poor, innocent waminz have incestuous rapebabies.
This is the stupid type of game that always wins you stupid prizes and the only winning move is not to play.
Four, it is neither a states rights issue, nor a federal issue, it is a constitutional issue, and the only sensible solution is for an amendment that defines what a living human being is.

Why are you so obsessed with this obvious strawman?
Is it because you glow in the dark?
He, and I, am obsessed over this issue because we both believe life begins well before birth, and thus millions of lives are at stake. It's basically issue number one for both of us.

I'm worried that it'll backfire and make abortion rules permanent, he's happy it'll be banned. But we are on the same side: it's a human rights issue.

@LordsFire, I hope I didn't mischaracterize your position.
 

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He, and I, am obsessed over this issue because we both believe life begins well before birth, and thus millions of lives are at stake. It's basically issue number one for both of us.

I'm worried that it'll backfire and make abortion rules permanent, he's happy it'll be banned. But we are on the same side: it's a human rights issue.

@LordsFire, I hope I didn't mischaracterize your position.
People who don't view it as literally murder don't understand why it's so important to the pro-life crowd.

If you view abortions as literally murdering babies, it might be more weird if it wasn't a priority for you.

People don't realize that this isn't a rhetorical issue for many. They think it's a rhetorical tool, they don't think you actually believe that human beings are being murdered, but that you say that just because it sounds powerful. If you believe that millions of babies are being murdered every year, well yeah of fucking course that's a monumentally large issue for you, probably bigger than any others. I can't think of anything that would be more important than preventing the murder of millions of babies.
 
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Agent23

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He, and I, am obsessed over this issue because we both believe life begins well before birth, and thus millions of lives are at stake. It's basically issue number one for both of us.

I'm worried that it'll backfire and make abortion rules permanent, he's happy it'll be banned. But we are on the same side: it's a human rights issue.

@LordsFire, I hope I didn't mischaracterize your position.



If you view abortions as literally murdering babies, it might be more weird if it wasn't a priority for you.
Well, we probably have different definitions of what is consciously alive and not then.
Every single organism, down to the amoeba is alive, since it can feed and reproduce.

My view is that consciousness in the form of electric impulses in the brain would be the closest thing to a soul that we can measure, and as such it is the thing that must be the defining factor when we decide if something is alive or not from the homo sapiens legal preservative.

So neural impulses plus viability outside the womb are probably the main factors where common sense abortion laws are concerned.

But this is all just a stalking horse to demonize the right IMHO, so I'd rather stay away from it.
 

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