Should I eat more meat and carbs?

Marduk

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Eating mostly oats, oatmeal and fruits for breakfast is just making me even hungrier

Eating vegetables makes me feel bloated and hungry
Yeah, that will happen. Its fruits and vegetables so its healthy, good and can cause no problems at all according to pop-dietetary science, especially among the kind of people ignorant enough to take veganism seriously.
But the hard science is that these are all carbs, a lot of them with a high glycemic index, so it puts your blood sugar and insulin levels on a rollercoaster, in turn affecting your sense of appetite too, nothing good will come out of that diet.

The other part of hard science is that food is energy in chemical form, and fat is energy reserve..
The basics are simple: input minus output equals reserve. To reduce the reserve you need to make it go negative, regularly, for probably a long time.
You can do that by increasing the output (physical activity), decreasing input (reducing calorie intake), or some combination of both, as long as the end result goes negative.
Feeling hungry or not is a more complicated matter dependent on the diet and your personal biological tendencies, characteristics and general state of your organism that is more or less related to that, depending on how well functioning your organism is; and if its not, these things can go completely crazy. It is perfectly possible to feel hungry even when eating more than enough gain weight (how do you think the morbidly obese people got that way?), or don't feel hungry and lose weight - obviously the easier and generally preferable way of losing weight, which makes it my personal favorite.

And the way i have pulled that off is:
1. Get used to 2 meals a day. If you're not that physically active, which from context i guess you're not, you don't need 3. Never felt much like eating after waking up anyway, so usually i don't eat breakfasts since about a decade. That one isn't even for losing weight, merely for not gaining it for no reason at all.
2. Continuing with that, never eat when you're not hungry. And i mean hungry. Not when you think you may be hungry, not when you are bored, not because its dinner time, not because its convenient, eat when you are hungry, and you are absolutely sure of it. Rare exceptions matter little, habit and majority of the days matter most.
3.What i did end up eating to lose weight was some variation of keto\carnivore diet. Probably kept it to about 70-80% calorie intake in meats, eggs and dairy, so according to some material on those not very strict, 90-95% would be desired, but in the end it worked out to losing almost 1kg per week, which is good enough for me.
4. It takes at minimum a week to get used to it and see the proper effects. While normally i'd get hungry about 6-8 hours after a meal, with that diet it would extend to 10, 12, and over second week sometimes up to 14-16 hours. Minding rule 2, i would sometimes go down to 1.5 meals a day effectively, and not big ones at that. On top of that when i do get hungry on that diet, its less sudden than when on more normal, balanced diet, instead it is a very slow, gradual rise of that feeling, so may aswell ignore it for few hours and plan to eat sometime around then.
5. Especially for the first week, you may be annoyingly distracted by the feeling of hunger as you adjust, to deal with this figure out some ways to suppress it that will work for you. Water, caffeine, some types of low calorie snacks, whatever works.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Never had that problem in either case.

I think it has to do with me having bad indigestion, turned out eating fruits and vegetables these days doesn’t really hasten it

It’s me eating solid foods particularly meat and rice that makes the bowels move or make my stomach feel like there is something solid
 

Aldarion

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This started when my father forced me on his "It's the New Technology!" even if he never clarified who or which scientists specifically said so, to ONLY eat fruits and vegetables and his disgusting annoying obsession with "do you want to eat apple?" and tendency to miss out on me being annoyed by his constant repetition only for him to go on a long speech and life story as to why he likes apples

Point is I've been more-or-less stuck on that "diet" this past year, I've only lost a little weight, I don't really poop as much as I used to and he keeps on obsessing over apples and saying it'd make me poop and such

My body's actually become less likely to use the toilet

And I'm not really allowed much for dinners on average, hell I could only really eat fruits and vegetables for dinner more than half the time

I've been eating way less rice or none at all for my biggest meals, which is lunch and I feel horrible

Before I used to follow the whole "Three Square Meals" thing of eat a lot for breakfast, eat less for lunch, eat the least for dinner

I haven't been able to return to that mode of eating since I was forced to be with my father closer since what happened to my brother

TBF, I'm eating way less for everything so I can finish my meals faster, in part to avoid being near my family who keeps on being so annoyingly overenthusiastic over random shit and talking in such an overenthusiastic and boastful manner it makes me feel sick just being near them

Your father is an idiot.

Fact is, every individual is different. If you want to find out what works, you have to experiement and find out what works for you. My mother finds meat absolutely disgusting, where I have to eat it because it is the only thing which actually sates me.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Your father is an idiot.

Fact is, every individual is different. If you want to find out what works, you have to experiement and find out what works for you. My mother finds meat absolutely disgusting, where I have to eat it because it is the only thing which actually sates me.

Eh, he's not used to being told off, even when I've been doing it for nearly a year straight

He still questions as to why I dislike being touched by him or how having to be within his overly enthusiastic presence or sitting next to him, irritates me
 

Lanmandragon

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Eh, he's not used to being told off, even when I've been doing it for nearly a year straight

He still questions as to why I dislike being touched by him or how having to be within his overly enthusiastic presence or sitting next to him, irritates me
Stand up to him? Father or not you cant just let people run you over bro fight back. Hell leave if you have to your literally being starved it's time to go.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Stand up to him? Father or not you cant just let people run you over bro fight back. Hell leave if you have to your literally being starved it's time to go.

I’m doing okay now, more or less because I switched out of his shit, it helps I’m purposely avoiding contact with him.

Compared to the earlier months with what happened to my brother to make him try and use me and the rest as a sort of lifeline for his mind, he leaves me alone much more.....when we are around however let’s just say I am now automatically conditioned to hate his presence even for a few seconds of him demanding I give him a hug
 

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