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Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Crossover idea: Just when the Golden Throne’s about to fail in the 40K ’verse, the God-Emperor of Mankind gets sent to Mortis and meets The Ones.

What happens next? On the one hand, I can certainly imagine the Father taking an interest in this exceedingly powerful immortal who has just shown up, as well as the Son attempting to seduce him to the Dark (which Big E would have none of, surely). But on the other, I don’t know if he’d make a good replacement for the Father if asked, since — while the Emperor is more than powerful enough — I’m not sure if he wields the right kind of power, due to questions of whether godlike Psychic might would be a sufficient “stand-in” for godlike connection to the Force.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
What If - The Warp is the same thing as The Force.

Everyone in the galaxy believes this is how the Force works afterall...

Well, as I recall, the Warp’s a whole lot more hellish and usually damns the souls of the dead, whether by making them daemons’ favorite toys or via the Warp Gods devouring them outright. Not aware of any more “pleasant” fates off the top of my head, but even if they exist, I doubt they’re all that frequent.

That, and the Warp is literally a separate dimension generated by thought and emotion — so much so, that ships literally open portals into it for FTL space travel. The Force, to my recollection, has nothing quite like that, pocket dimensions like Mortis and the Wellspring of Life notwithstanding.
 

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
Mortis is EXACTLY what the Warp would look like to Force believers.

We've got "Force Ghosts" as Warp entities.

The Dark Side mirrors a lot of what Khorne and the other Chaos gods could look like under the Force.

That, and the Warp is literally a separate dimension generated by thought and emotion — so much so, that ships literally open portals into it for FTL space travel.
The Warp, prior to the Chaos Gods really getting active, was extremely calm and could easily be Hyperspace in Star Wars. Heck, you could even state that Star Wars shields are actually Geller fields at the same time.

It's all up to the writer, but it wouldn't be that big a stretch.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
Quoting and replying tepidly, because I now have some lore to refresh on:

Mortis is EXACTLY what the Warp would look like to Force believers.

We've got "Force Ghosts" as Warp entities.

The Dark Side mirrors a lot of what Khorne and the other Chaos gods could look like under the Force.

Okay, fair enough.

Vaguely recall some Sith and other Darksiders who'd project their much scarier views onto the Warp than the typical Force user would probably see, such as Vitiate and Nihilus. Palpatine's one of those, too, of course, but upon reflection, I wonder if you could argue that Chaos — the region of the Netherworld of the Force where their lot go, at least according to Legends — resembles a separate "domain" of the Warp, similar to how the Chaos Gods have their own separate residences.

The Warp, prior to the Chaos Gods really getting active, was extremely calm and could easily be Hyperspace in Star Wars. Heck, you could even state that Star Wars shields are actually Geller fields at the same time.

Again, will concede you have a point here. Forgot that Star Wars took place in the distant past, so I suppose the Warp being mostly calm makes sense. Recall something about the War in Heaven being the first real "thunderclap" of psychic instability, though seeing as it took place 60 million years before the present setting of 40K, the timing may not necessarily conflict with when Star Wars takes place.

In any case, I suppose I have some lore to refresh on, so thanks for reminding me. More of a dabbler in 40K than a true expert, so anyone else more knowledgeable on it that'd like to correct or debate me is welcome to. Dunno' if here is the best place to continue discussing 40K specifically, so perhaps we should take it elsewhere.
 

Skallagrim

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I’ve been using ChatGPT for some SW-related shenanigans. I will now relate some observations.

First of all, writers (and other creators) have nothing to worry about when it comes to this thing. It has no brain, and you can tell. This is an information regurgitator. It can crudely riff off some ideas, but only by re-mixing basic elements that it can pull from its vast data-set. Everything is immensely superficial. It is incapable of saying anything insightful or profound.

However, because its data-set is huge, it can say things that can give you insight. For instance, since this thing is basically using a giant rip of the entire internet as its "knowledge", asking it about the key elements of a Star Wars story will actually give you a basic distillation of what the “internet consensus” is about that.

But when you ask it to actually come up with a story... that sort of thing is difficult for it, and it tends to revert to very general statements. But if you ask it to elaborate, or to name examples of how the ideas or aspects that it mentioned could be portrayed or incorporated into the story, it does start to do some “creative writing”. Or rather, a facsimile of it.

Because, again, it’s mostly regurgitation and re-mix. It matches together common plot elements seen in SW. When you ask it for names, it often just re-uses names from SW works, like naming a villain “Darth Nihilus”. If you ask it to create an original sequel protagonist, it always defaults to “Kira” (the most well-known and oft-referenced name for “proto-Rey” during production). It also regularly uses slight variations on established names from SW works, e.g. you may get “Cade” (as in “Cade Skywalker”, from the old legacy comics) when you ask for possible hero names, but it may then also list “Kaede” as an option. Or you get both “Jacen” and “Jace”.

Some original names that it tends to default to when asked for suggestions (in several different conversations) are “Zorin”, “Vayne”, “Garrick”, “Jax”, “Nara”, “Ava” and “Lyra”. I have no idea why, but those names seem to be associated with SW somewhere in its network. I found that interesting, because I can’t explain why. Some of those names gave appeared in EU works, but not with anything resembling prominence. Yet it repeatedly defaults to these specific names.

Anyway, when you ask the AI to elaborate on whatever it puts out, it’ll typically give a list of wildly divergent ways you could go with these ideas. At that point, you can tell it which ideas you like. Perhaps the strongest point of ChatGPT is that it remembers your choices (to an extent), so if it suggests that the villains could be pro-Imperial warlords or Sith cultists, and you rule out Sith cultists, it doesn’t bring those back up. If you then say that (for instance) Luke’s son turns evil, and you ask why the character might do that— then ChatGPT will remember that the baddies are Imperial warlords, and suggest (for instance) that Luke’s son became convinced that strong, militarist government was needed for galactic stability.

In general, ChatGPT is mostly a quasi-interactive “sounding board” that can riff off statements that you feed it in a quasi-competent but very superficial manner. I found it fun to play with, but as far as creative purposes go, it’s mostly useful as “suggestions machine”. Oh, there’s a superweapon, you say? What is it? Give me some examples. No, I don’t like those. Give me some more. Oh, I like that one. Who built that weapon? Why did this character do that? No, that makes no sense, give me another backstory for that character... (And so on and so forth.)

ChatGPT repeats itself a lot. Whenever you ask it to tell you more about an idea, or to elaborate in any way, the majority of its response is a re-iteration of what it had already said before. So if you were to gather up its various responses and remove all repetition and all useless suggestions, what’s left is actually pretty meagre. Ultimately less than 20% of what it said in total. So is this an effective tool to use as a sounding board for, say, writing an original SW story? I’d say it’s no more useful than asking a forum full of random users for their thoughts. You get way fewer outlyers. On a forum, you always get some stupid or totally unhelpful responses. You also occasionally get a really creative and original response. ChatGPT gives you neither. As I said: it’s middle-of-the-road, superficial, and uncreative.

It’s fun to try it a few times, just to see what it does, but I find that it’s more trouble than it’s worth to keep trying to get useful responses from this idiot machine. It has its uses, but creative endeauvours are not really within its spectrum.

This kind of AI would be more useful for creative purposes is it could be trained with specific, goal-targeted data-sets, e.g. to exclude information that’s irrelevant to SW, or to specifically exclude all knowledge of Disney SW and have it base its responses on the old EU instead. Another immense improvement would be if it could remember more of the ongoing conversation, and be trained to avoid repeating itself in conversation.

At the moment, this kind of AI is far more useful when it comes to image generation, because there, the kind of “selective data-set that you can put together yourself” is a possibility, and it can be asked to refine pictures it has already created (which is akin to “remembering what was done before”). With that, you can (through some effort) create pretty cool visual impressions. I find these more inspiring as starting points for my own creative process than whatever ChatGPT can produce as a prompt.

All in all, this AI tech has a long way to go if it’s ever to produce anything like “autonomous creativity”. But it can be used in various ways to support or spark your creativity. ChatGPT is probably not the most useful of those ways, though.
 

Zyobot

Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
First of all, writers (and other creators) have nothing to worry about when it comes to this thing. It has no brain, and you can tell. This is an information regurgitator. It can crudely riff off some ideas, but only by re-mixing basic elements that it can pull from its vast data-set. Everything is immensely superficial. It is incapable of saying anything insightful or profound.

*Glances at Kathleen Kennedy sweating profusely.* :p

No, but seriously, if there are any writers whose livelihoods ChatGPT endangers, it's got to be the galaxy brains behind the Sequel Trilogy.
 

Skallagrim

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No, but seriously, if there are any writers whose livelihoods ChatGPT endangers, it's got to be the galaxy brains behind the Sequel Trilogy.
Funny you should mention that. I tried several times to get ChatGPT to write out alternatives to the SW sequel trilogy, by using various prompts. As I mentioned, it's not good at creativity, so it's not even a threat to bad writers. But it can offer suggestions about (what the internet-at-large apparently thinks) is wrong with the sequels.

It stands out that several notions keep coming back when you ask it for alternative ideas, which suggests to me that these are the common elements that many people wanted or expected to see in the sequels (and which ChatGPT has distilled from its vast data-set):



— The Rebel Alliance has become the New Republic. The New Republic is working to maintain peace and stability, but faces new challenges from both internal and external threats.

— Luke Skywalker has become a powerful Jedi Knight and is leading the effort to rebuild the Jedi Order. Luke has continued to train new Jedi and he leads the efforts to rebuild the Jedi Order, while also mentoring a new generation of heroes. Luke's role as a mentor would be a central element of the story, as he guides and teaches the new Jedi, while also facing new challenges and conflicts.

— Han Solo and Leia Organa are now married and working together to help lead the New Republic. They are faced with new challenges and difficult decisions as they navigate the politics of the galaxy and try maintain peace and stability in the galaxy. The sequel trilogy follows both their roles as leaders in the new Republic and their relationship as a couple. Their relationship, as two leaders in the New Republic, could be portrayed as a partnership, where they work together to make decisions that will benefit the galaxy and their relationship. They could be shown as a team.

— The remnants of the Empire are regrouping and seeking to regain control of the galaxy. The story would explore the motivations and ideologies of the Imperial officers and how they are regrouping and rebuilding to challenge the New Republic. The remnants of the Empire in this story could be portrayed as a diverse group with different motivations and agendas.



And that all checks out, as far as I can tell. Those really are some of the recurring (indeed, near-universal) elements that fans say they wanted to see in the sequels (but didn’t get). Again, there’s nothing specific or “deep” here, but if the makers of any sequel trilogy had taken these points as must-have key elements for the story, I think the result would almost invariably have been better-received than what we got. Of course, if you ask ChatGPT to come up with alternative ideas for SW sequels, its suggestions are (as you’ll by now expect) hopelessly generic. Even picking the best ideas and running with those leaves you with a premise/outline that seems to describe a middle-of-the-road “here’s what they should have done” fanfic. Nothing about it is objectionable, but it isn’t exactly impressive, either.

If you want a taste of the absolute best it can produce (with a lot of selective filtering and prompting by the human party— in this case me), I’ll edit together the responses it came up with in response to my request to create an original SW story. (Out of various attempts at alternative sequels and purely original stories, this original one turned out the most promising.) Note that what I’ve ended up with is not its “bare” output, but rather the result of a lot of follow-up questions, and repeatedly running with the best suggestions that it came up with (while ignoring the rest). And, of course, deleting most of every response, since the bulk is always just pure re-hashing of what it has already said earlier...

I’ll post the cleaned-up result later.
 

Typhonis

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You want something that could have taken Star Wars in a new direction in the Sequal trilogy?

Tarkin fucked up the Galactic Economy with one shot from the Death Star.

Alderaan was on a major trade route. It was a founding member of the Republic. Tarkin blew Alderaan up. In one shot he just fucked up one of the main trade routes in the Star Wars Galaxy. Because destroying the planet creates a new asteroid field that fucks up all of your navigational charts. But wait there's more!

Alderaan was a major port and had facilities for civilian traffic. Those are now gone. The infrastructure is now gone. Any colonies in the system are now fucked, because shrapnel from Alderaan more than likely hit them causing Extinction Level Events. Thus they are fucked. So it will be years before this mess is cleaned up if EVER.

But wait, there's more. 911 shows us what happens when a major negative event occurs. Alderaan going bye bye is a major negative event. So stocks will drop. Then word comes in that a major military facility just got shanked. Stocks fall again. Said facility was run by the guy who ganked Alderaan. Stocks fall even further. Congratulations...Galaxy-wide recession is now in effect or worse it's a depression.

Money will be in short supply. People will not want to invest. A major trade lane, and the bank that was on it, are now borked. Fun times in a Galaxy far far away.
 

Skallagrim

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You want something that could have taken Star Wars in a new direction in the Sequal trilogy?

Tarkin fucked up the Galactic Economy with one shot from the Death Star.

Alderaan was on a major trade route. It was a founding member of the Republic. Tarkin blew Alderaan up. In one shot he just fucked up one of the main trade routes in the Star Wars Galaxy. Because destroying the planet creates a new asteroid field that fucks up all of your navigational charts. But wait there's more!

Alderaan was a major port and had facilities for civilian traffic. Those are now gone. The infrastructure is now gone. Any colonies in the system are now fucked, because shrapnel from Alderaan more than likely hit them causing Extinction Level Events. Thus they are fucked. So it will be years before this mess is cleaned up if EVER.

But wait, there's more. 911 shows us what happens when a major negative event occurs. Alderaan going bye bye is a major negative event. So stocks will drop. Then word comes in that a major military facility just got shanked. Stocks fall again. Said facility was run by the guy who ganked Alderaan. Stocks fall even further. Congratulations...Galaxy-wide recession is now in effect or worse it's a depression.

Money will be in short supply. People will not want to invest. A major trade lane, and the bank that was on it, are now borked. Fun times in a Galaxy far far away.
I wonder about the extent to which the destruction of any one planet (except perhaps Coruscant) could really affect the galaxy at large.

Sure, the argument about a new asteroid field is true, but if the hyperspace lane is important enough, they'll be able to clear it. It'll cost a lot, but if the alternative is to have everybody drop out of hyperspace, navigate around the asteroids, and then go back to hyperspace... well, a massive clearing effort may just be cheaper.

Still, that goes for the major hyperlanes. Alderaan is not on a major hyperlane. It's on the Commenor Run, which connects Brentaal to Commenor, which is itself on the Trellen Trade Route. But Brentaal is at the cross-roads of Perlemian and Hydian, and if you follow the Hydian to Kuat (a route parallel to the Commenor Run), you'll find that it connects to... the Trellen Trade Route.

Alderaan is located on a mostly-superfluous "back-road" that runs next to the "high-way". It's the scenic route, of course, which is why posh, cultured Alderaan is right there... but it's not a big, economically important thorough-fare.

Nor do I think that Alderaan was very heavily populated. It was green world, full of nature preserves and airy, livable cities. Basically a wealthy paradise for some socially engaged rich people. It has the scent of "Space Switzerland". But unlike real-life Switzerland, it doesn't seem to have been a banking haven.

And when we compare the importance of a planet to the size of the galaxy... it's more like Space Liechtenstein. But again, without the banks. Tell me: would it matter to the world economy if Liechtenstein was destroyed overnight? (Again, presuming no major bank accounts are acually kept there.)

I think the effects of Alderaan's destruction were more cultural-political than anything, in that it convinced a lot of people that the Empire was an existential threat that could and would kill anyone without any given reason. So the Rebellion made it big overnight, because the combo of Alderaan's brutal destruction + the immediate loss of the weapon that did it led so many people into the Rebellion's arms.

As for long-term economic damage: I do think the Empire as a whole was an economic disaster (planned economy and staggering corruption, so imagine the worst of Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany combined). Depending on what the New Republic does afterwards, they might see an economic boom as trade resumes, or a long slump because key galactic infastructure is damaged and all trust in institutions is gone. There's no "Space Marshal Aid", so the post-Imperial galaxy might plausibly have shades of post-Soviet Russia...
 

Earl

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I would say the Empires destruction of Alderran still damaged the economy mainly because of just how it destroyed trust. Imagine being an investor and you see a crazy government who is willing to destroy a core world, how’s your confidence going? The independent Economy, who isn’t directly connected to Imperial Cronyism, will just go straight down the toilet. Not to mention, while they may not be anywhere important, Alderranians are no doubt big spenders and importers. All that is just gone in an instant, leaving a lot of companies in just the worst spot: losing a major source of revenue while the market is in free fall, meaning bankruptcy and well…the Empire is just there to step on in and nationalize the pieces.
 

Bear Ribs

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And when we compare the importance of a planet to the size of the galaxy... it's more like Space Liechtenstein. But again, without the banks. Tell me: would it matter to the world economy if Liechtenstein was destroyed overnight? (Again, presuming no major bank accounts are acually kept there.)
This is kinda the perpetual problem with Star Wars though. It's the size of a whole galaxy, but apparently, the Galaxy is a microdwarf or something because there are only a few planets that do anything important and the same supposedly unimportant worlds show up as critical over and over again. The entire galaxy has significantly fewer shipyards that just China, f'rex, and even though they're ubiquitous and needed everywhere only one company appears to make Astromechs and they're all from the R# same design line.
 

Crom's Black Blade

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This is kinda the perpetual problem with Star Wars though. It's the size of a whole galaxy, but apparently, the Galaxy is a microdwarf or something because there are only a few planets that do anything important and the same supposedly unimportant worlds show up as critical over and over again. The entire galaxy has significantly fewer shipyards that just China, f'rex, and even though they're ubiquitous and needed everywhere only one company appears to make Astromechs and they're all from the R# same design line.

Well to be fair, even if we ignored the Expanded Universe Star Wars has always had a lot of '30's Space Opera Serial in its DNA in addition to the WWII and Samurai films. The basic plot of ANH of the heroes almost accidentally being swept up into the Big Bad plans, being captured then escaping only to team up with the allies they made along the way to destroy the Big Bad's "ultimate weapon" and win the day could be transcribed into a Flash Gordon serial pretty easy.

Mix in Sci-fi writers having no sense of scale and the need to "ground" new works by connecting them to events and places from the movie and it isn't surprising that as the scope of the universe stories expanded it revealed how contracted it actually is.
 

Bear Ribs

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Well to be fair, even if we ignored the Expanded Universe Star Wars has always had a lot of '30's Space Opera Serial in its DNA in addition to the WWII and Samurai films. The basic plot of ANH of the heroes almost accidentally being swept up into the Big Bad plans, being captured then escaping only to team up with the allies they made along the way to destroy the Big Bad's "ultimate weapon" and win the day could be transcribed into a Flash Gordon serial pretty easy.

Mix in Sci-fi writers having no sense of scale and the need to "ground" new works by connecting them to events and places from the movie and it isn't surprising that as the scope of the universe stories expanded it revealed how contracted it actually is.
Oh I know it, I'm just saying the bizarre mishmash way scaling works means it's difficult to really say "One planet isn't that important to a whole galaxy" in Star Wars. It's made even worse by the fact that a few writers actually did have a sense of scale so you can run into this one comic or novel where the industry on one world (or firepower... or force powers... etc.) appears to be thousands of times higher than the entire galaxy combined in the movies.
 

Crom's Black Blade

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Oh I know it, I'm just saying the bizarre mishmash way scaling works means it's difficult to really say "One planet isn't that important to a whole galaxy" in Star Wars. It's made even worse by the fact that a few writers actually did have a sense of scale so you can run into this one comic or novel where the industry on one world (or firepower... or force powers... etc.) appears to be thousands of times higher than the entire galaxy combined in the movies.
Yes. Honestly I think things would have been better had Wars just picked a scale either a Flash Gordon homage where every planet is just a glorified village with it's own hat or this more realistic Galactic civilization with maybe more well thought out reasons why a random backwater planet is so crucial ala how Dune had spice to justify Arrakis importance.

Instead you get this weird duality where, for instance, the Galactic Empire barely scrapes up more than 30 ISDs on screen at once on one hand but on the other is this vast Galactic civilization with inexhaustible manpower and resources to drew upon.
 
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Bear Ribs

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Yes. Honestly I think things would have been better had Wars just picked a scale either a Flash Gordon homage where every planet is just a glorified village with it's own hat or this more realistic Galactic civilization with maybe more well thought out reasons why a random backwater planet is so crucial ala how Dune had spice to justify Arrakis importance.

Instead you get this weird duality where, for instance, the Galactic Empire barely scrapes up more than 30 ISDs on screen at once on one hand but on the other is this vast Galactic civilization with inexhaustible manpower and resources to drew upon.
Personally, I think the funniest one was one of the licensed RPGs (can't recall which off the top of my head), where Emperor Palpatine's total available wealth was enough to buy a single suit of Stormtrooper armor, and he'd be flat broke afterward.

That's just what he got for min-maxing darkside powers and not putting any skill points in economics...
 

Crom's Black Blade

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Personally, I think the funniest one was one of the licensed RPGs (can't recall which off the top of my head), where Emperor Palpatine's total available wealth was enough to buy a single suit of Stormtrooper armor, and he'd be flat broke afterward.

That's just what he got for min-maxing darkside powers and not putting any skill points in economics...

Palpatine: Come on Vader, I'm just asking to borrow 50 credits until pay day. You know I'm good for it. I sunk everything betting on Tarkin and that DS1 and well...that didn't turn out as I was expecting. And Grandaughter Rey's expecting a birthday present...xD
 

Skallagrim

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I would say the Empires destruction of Alderran still damaged the economy mainly because of just how it destroyed trust. Imagine being an investor and you see a crazy government who is willing to destroy a core world, how’s your confidence going? The independent Economy, who isn’t directly connected to Imperial Cronyism, will just go straight down the toilet. Not to mention, while they may not be anywhere important, Alderranians are no doubt big spenders and importers. All that is just gone in an instant, leaving a lot of companies in just the worst spot: losing a major source of revenue while the market is in free fall, meaning bankruptcy and well…the Empire is just there to step on in and nationalize the pieces.
Sure, that's part of the whole "people turn against the Empire because its obviously batshit" thing. But of course, to many people, this was already obvious. Corruption and mismanagement must already have harmed the economy. And like I said: it's impossible for Alderaan to be that important, economically.

Most crucially, however, this wouldn't really cause problems for the New Republic. If anything, it gives them a bit of a boost because at least they got rid of those crazy genocidal Imperials. The major economic problem for the New Republic that I could see emerging isn't caused by "high-profile" incidents (like Alderaan), but by a quarter-century of structural failure.

Of course, in the original EU, they seem to have come out of it fairly well. Which in itself implies that the Empire must only have controlled the galaxy in a "broad strokes" way, without actually having day-to-day control over most affairs in most places. (Meaning they couldn't cause much damage there, either.)


This is kinda the perpetual problem with Star Wars though. It's the size of a whole galaxy, but apparently, the Galaxy is a microdwarf or something because there are only a few planets that do anything important and the same supposedly unimportant worlds show up as critical over and over again. The entire galaxy has significantly fewer shipyards that just China, f'rex, and even though they're ubiquitous and needed everywhere only one company appears to make Astromechs and they're all from the R# same design line.
Well to be fair, even if we ignored the Expanded Universe Star Wars has always had a lot of '30's Space Opera Serial in its DNA in addition to the WWII and Samurai films. The basic plot of ANH of the heroes almost accidentally being swept up into the Big Bad plans, being captured then escaping only to team up with the allies they made along the way to destroy the Big Bad's "ultimate weapon" and win the day could be transcribed into a Flash Gordon serial pretty easy.

Mix in Sci-fi writers having no sense of scale and the need to "ground" new works by connecting them to events and places from the movie and it isn't surprising that as the scope of the universe stories expanded it revealed how contracted it actually is.
Oh I know it, I'm just saying the bizarre mishmash way scaling works means it's difficult to really say "One planet isn't that important to a whole galaxy" in Star Wars. It's made even worse by the fact that a few writers actually did have a sense of scale so you can run into this one comic or novel where the industry on one world (or firepower... or force powers... etc.) appears to be thousands of times higher than the entire galaxy combined in the movies.
Yes. Honestly I think things would have been better had Wars just picked a scale either a Flash Gordon homage where every planet is just a glorified village with it's own hat or this more realistic Galactic civilization with maybe more well thought out reasons why a random backwater planet is so crucial ala how Dune had spice to justify Arrakis importance.

Instead you get this weird duality where, for instance, the Galactic Empire barely scrapes up more than 30 ISDs on screen at once on one hand but on the other is this vast Galactic civilization with inexhaustible manpower and resources to drew upon.
You get some really weird effects due to the contradictory assumptions, yes. Any interpretation you go with will clash with some evidence. Personally, I typically just ignore anything that's too dumb to be believable, and consider some things to be artistic licence and treat is as an impression rather than an accurate respresentation of what's happening.


Palpatine: Come on Vader, I'm just asking to borrow 50 credits until pay day. You know I'm good for it. I sunk everything betting on Tarkin and that DS1 and well...that didn't turn out as I was expecting. And Grandaughter Rey's expecting a birthday present...xD
Great potential for Robot Chicken over there!
 
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Skallagrim

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Pft! Epic adventure and you guys are talking about the economy and shit. It's like Episode I all over again. :sneaky:
Ah, yes, it's much better to have none of those boring politics and world-building and nerd stuff like that. Just look at those masterful sequels! Perfection! ;)
 

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