The Abortion Thread (Political)

AndrewJTalon

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There is no denying that abortion is a complex and difficult subject. It is fraught with emotion and involves ethics, science and religion. However, wanting it to remain as an option is one thing: An argument can be made for that.

Glorifying it, on the other hand...

Alyssa Milano Boasts About Her Past Abortions and the Joy They Brought Her

Alyssa Milano Boasts About Her Past Abortions and the Joy They Brought Her
BY MATT MARGOLIS AUGUST 21, 2019
CHAT 179 COMMENTS
Actress Alyssa Milano speaks after delivering a letter to Gov. Brian Kemp's office detailing her opposition to HB 481 at the State Capitol Tuesday, April 2, 2019, in Atlanta. HB 481 would ban most abortions after a heartbeat is detected. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)
In the neverending debate about abortion we often hear from the left how abortion is such a difficult, private decision—that we’re even having a public debate on the issue is somehow degrading or anti-woman or something silly like that. However, abortion as a political wedge issue has made the once “safe, legal, and rare” mantra of the left outmoded, and now abortion has become a symbolic act of pride for liberal women to prove their left-wing feminist bona fides. In 2015, the Shout Your Abortion social media campaign was launched to give women the opportunity to share their abortion experiences online without "sadness, shame or regret" with the goal of "destigmatization, normalization, and putting an end to shame."
For the left, abortions are something to be proud of, and left-wing actress Alyssa Milano, who recently called for a sex strike to protest heartbeat bills, is still trying to prove herself a left-wing feminist icon by revealing that she had two abortions within months of each other back in the early nineties.


The actress and activist, 46, who has been speaking out in protest as states pass restrictive abortion laws, shared her own abortion story in the latest episode of her podcast Sorry Not Sorry. Noting that one in four women in the U.S. will have the procedure by the age of 45, she revealed that she one of them — and detailed why she elected to have the procedure two times in her early 20s.

“In 1993, I had two abortions,” Milano shared. “I was in love for the first time in the breathless way you can only be in love when you are young. It was huge — overwhelming even. It filled every part of living. It was a joyful and exciting and powerful time in my life.”

Despite claiming it was “not an easy choice” and not something she wanted to do, she says it was something she needed, and she credits her abortion for the joys she now has.

“Fifteen years after that first love had fizzled, my life would be completely lacking all its great joys,” she said. “I would never had been free to be myself — and that’s what this fight is all about: freedom.”

Milano said her reasons for having abortions are “real” — as are the reasons of all other women. “They are ours — and they none of your f**king business.”

If it’s not our business, why is she boasting about her abortions? If it’s not our business, why is she trying to prove herself by announcing she had the abortions in the first place? Her attitude about how much better her life is because she had them is bad enough, but using it to shore up her feminist credentials seems contradictory to her claim that it’s no one else’s business.

Discuss this article or pose your own opinions about abortion in general in a political sense.
 

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Alyssa Milano Boasts About Her Past Abortions and the Joy They Brought Her
BY MATT MARGOLIS AUGUST 21, 2019
CHAT 179 COMMENTS
Actress Alyssa Milano speaks after delivering a letter to Gov. Brian Kemp's office detailing her opposition to HB 481 at the State Capitol Tuesday, April 2, 2019, in Atlanta. HB 481 would ban most abortions after a heartbeat is detected. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)
In the neverending debate about abortion we often hear from the left how abortion is such a difficult, private decision—that we’re even having a public debate on the issue is somehow degrading or anti-woman or something silly like that. However, abortion as a political wedge issue has made the once “safe, legal, and rare” mantra of the left outmoded, and now abortion has become a symbolic act of pride for liberal women to prove their left-wing feminist bona fides. In 2015, the Shout Your Abortion social media campaign was launched to give women the opportunity to share their abortion experiences online without "sadness, shame or regret" with the goal of "destigmatization, normalization, and putting an end to shame."
For the left, abortions are something to be proud of, and left-wing actress Alyssa Milano, who recently called for a sex strike to protest heartbeat bills, is still trying to prove herself a left-wing feminist icon by revealing that she had two abortions within months of each other back in the early nineties.


The actress and activist, 46, who has been speaking out in protest as states pass restrictive abortion laws, shared her own abortion story in the latest episode of her podcast Sorry Not Sorry. Noting that one in four women in the U.S. will have the procedure by the age of 45, she revealed that she one of them — and detailed why she elected to have the procedure two times in her early 20s.

“In 1993, I had two abortions,” Milano shared. “I was in love for the first time in the breathless way you can only be in love when you are young. It was huge — overwhelming even. It filled every part of living. It was a joyful and exciting and powerful time in my life.”

Despite claiming it was “not an easy choice” and not something she wanted to do, she says it was something she needed, and she credits her abortion for the joys she now has.

“Fifteen years after that first love had fizzled, my life would be completely lacking all its great joys,” she said. “I would never had been free to be myself — and that’s what this fight is all about: freedom.”

Milano said her reasons for having abortions are “real” — as are the reasons of all other women. “They are ours — and they none of your f**king business.”

If it’s not our business, why is she boasting about her abortions? If it’s not our business, why is she trying to prove herself by announcing she had the abortions in the first place? Her attitude about how much better her life is because she had them is bad enough, but using it to shore up her feminist credentials seems contradictory to her claim that it’s no one else’s business.
 

ReeeFallin

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Getting an abortion so you don't completely derail and ruin your life is a valid reason.

Personally I think if someone wants to vote into law a prohibition on that, their vote should come with an obligation to adopt one of those un-wanted children who would be born due to the change in law.
 

ReeeFallin

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I guess we need two identical threads?

I'll repeat myself:

Getting an abortion so you don't completely derail and ruin your life is a valid reason.

Personally I think if someone wants to vote into law a prohibition on that, their vote should come with an obligation to adopt one of those un-wanted children who would be born due to the change in law.
 
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Congratulations, you already have more integrity than 90% of pro-birthers.

I stand for what is right, not what is popular, or easy. If I am the only one against an Army --

Then like Zhao Zilong, let us go to battle.

I think the most beautiful thing in the world is to uphold righteousness even if you are the only one doing it.
 

Comrade Clod

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I'm not a fan but its not my right to stop them from making a choice. Especially when its a legitimate medical procedure that is sometimes necessary to save a womans life.
 
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I'm not a fan but its not my right to stop them from making a choice. Especially when its a legitimate medical procedure that is sometimes necessary to save a womans life.

It actually is your right, in the same way it is your right to make a citizen's arrest to stop a murder in the street. That is a fairly well established legal principle in Common Law.
 

Realm

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Fetuses ain't people, the only logically coherent way to argue they are relies on a belief in god who coincidentally isn't real, so it's perfectly fine
 
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Fetuses ain't people, the only logically coherent way to argue they are relies on a belief in god who coincidentally isn't real, so it's perfectly fine

That is an absurdity of words which are not in congruity with simple reality, a fetus is a human being by definition, being born of a mother of our species into this era, a self-replicating, growing, living biological organism recognisably by every characteristic of our species. From the moment of conception. The only question is the one of the soul, and the ancients said that the Quickening occurred with the first movement, not at birth.
 

Realm

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That is an absurdity of words which are not in congruity with simple reality, a fetus is a human being by definition, being born of a mother of our species into this era, a self-replicating, growing, living biological organism recognisably by every characteristic of our species. From the moment of conception. The only question is the one of the soul, and the ancients said that the Quickening occurred with the first movement, not at birth.

A brain dead coma victim is not a person, despite biologically being a human being.

Person and human being are separate concepts. There can be nonhuman persons, and human non persons.

The part that matters is the mind, the sense of self, which neither the brain dead man, or fetus possesses.

Also souls aren't real, so jot that down
 
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A brain dead coma victim is not a person, despite biologically being a human being.

Person and human being are separate concepts. There can be nonhuman persons, and human non persons.

The part that matters is the mind, the sense of self, which neither the brain dead man, or fetus possesses.

Also souls aren't real, so jot that down


You speak as though you can separate the material and the spiritual in a human to justify killing some and not others, and then you deny the spiritual exists at all? This is a fundamental contradiction. Either there is something supra-biological or there isn’t.
 

Realm

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You speak as though you can separate the material and the spiritual in a human to justify killing some and not others, and then you deny the spiritual exists at all? This is a fundamental contradiction. Either there is something supra-biological or there isn’t.

Sentience and the mind is a physical process of a physical object. There is nothing spiritual about the mind.
 

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