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Sobek

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Didn't even realized there was a new series until this popped on my feed, and even then I thought it was something for Picard season 2 before a different comment about the cringe mentioned it was a new series.

It's not only absurdly on the nose to a point even the LARGE HAM of TOS would find forced, it is also extremely bad taste to use actual footage of a event not even 2 years old. And even if you try and excuse, how the fuck does it make sense? "It started with a fight for freedoms, we called it The Second Civil War." Are you saying the USA is already in a civil war? Because that is what that line implies with that footage, and I seem to notice a lack of civil war in the USA. Not to mention that how the fuck does it tie into the Eugenics Wars? It makes no fucking sense, just commit to a different timeline instead of constantly retconning to keep it set in our own.

Honestly pathetic. Even though the setting sounds like it could be good I am making a point to not watch it.
 
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Sobek said:
"It started with a fight for freedoms, we called it The Second Civil War." Are you saying the USA is already in a civil war? Because that is what that line implies with that footage, and I seem to notice a lack of civil war in the USA.
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No, they're saying that the 1860s Civil War was the First Civil War, while the 2020s had the Second Civil War, presumably after the events of Past Tense, which then led into WW3.

Star Trek: Picard Season 2 also straight up proved that the Trek 21st century isn't our 21st century, what with the Europa mission in 2024... that we're nowhere near close to executing.

Also, Wesley Crusher and the Travelers are responsible for that fucking Assignment: Earth episode, since they're the ones who give the Supervisors orders.
 
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TOS was written during the dawn of the age of neoliberalism, before the ideology had actually been tested and demonstrated its flaws.

The idea was that we'd all get along as equals and with everyone contributing, our progress would increase exponentially, technology providing enough material wealth to patch over societal flaws.
The Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanley Robinson said:
“Islam is the last of the old desert monotheisms,” Kirana told them. “It is belated in that sense, an anomaly. It followed and built on the earlier pastoral monotheisms of the Middle West, which predated Mohammed by several centuries at least: Christianity, the Essenes, the Jews, the Zoroastrians, the Mithraists and so on. They were all strongly patriarchal, replacing earlier matriarchal polytheisms, created by the first agricultural civilizations, in which gods resided in every domesticated plant, and women were acknowledged to be crucial to the production of food and new life.

“Islam was therefore a latecomer, and as such, a corrective to the earlier monotheisms. It had the chance to be the best monotheism, and in many ways it was. But because it began in an Arabia that had been shattered by the wars of the Roman empire and the Christian states, it had to deal first with a condition of almost pure anarchy, a tribal war of all against all, in which women were at the mercy of any warring party. From those depths no new religion could leap very high.

“Mohammed thus arrived as a prophet who was both trying to do good, and trying not to be overwhelmed by war, and by his experiencing of divine voices — babbling some of the time, as the Quran will attest.”

This remark drew gasps, and several women stood and walked out. All the men in the room, however, remained as if transfixed.

“Spoken to by God or speaking whatever came into his head, it did not matter; the end result was good, at first. A tremendous increase in law, in justice, in women’s rights, and in a general sense of order and human purpose in history. Indeed, it was precisely this sense of justice and divine purpose which gave Islam its unique power in the first few centuries a.H., when it swept the world despite the fact that it gave no new material advantage — one of the only clear-cut demonstrations of the power of the idea alone, in all of history.

“But then came the caliphs, the sultans, the divisions, the wars, the clerics and their hadith. The hadith overgrew the Quran itself, they seized on every scrap of misogyny scattered in Mohammed’s basically feminist work, and stitched them into the shroud in which they wrapped the Quran, as being too radical to enact. Generations of patriarchal clerics built up a mass of hadith that has no Quranic authority whatsoever, thus rebuilding an unjust tyranny, using frequently falsified authorities of personal transmission from male master to male student, as if a lie passed down through three or ten generations of men somehow metamorphoses into a truth. But it is not so.

“And so Islam, like Christianity and Judaism before it, stagnated and degenerated. Because its expansion was so great, it was harder to see this failure and collapse; indeed, it took up until the Nakba itself to make it clear. But this perversion of Islam lost us the war. It was women’s rights, and nothing else, that gave China and Travancore and Yingzhou the victory. It was the absence of women’s rights in Islam that turned half the population into non-productive illiterate cattle, and lost us the war. The tremendous intellectual and mechanical progress that had been initiated by Islamic scientists was picked up and carried to much greater heights by the Buddhist monks of Travancore and the Japanese diaspora, and this revolution in mechanical capacity was quickly developed by China and the New World free states; by everyone, in fact, except for Dar al-Islam. Even our reliance on camels did not come to an end until midway through the Long War. Without any road wider than two camels, with every city built as a kasbah or a medina, as tightly packed as a bazaar, nothing could be done in the way of modernization. Only the war’s destruction of the city cores allowed us to rebuild in a modern way, and only our desperate attempt to defend ourselves brought any industrial progress to speak of. But by then it was a case of too little and too late."
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The ideologues are still butthurt this conversation never happened and their promise totally failed.

The newly freed and equalized simply treated the civilization of their former oppressors as an exploitable resource, voting to defund the apollo program to transfer the money to themselves and turn NASA's goal from colonizing the solar system, acquiring said promised unlimited resources and lebensraum, to diversity outreach propaganda.


Meanwhile, thanks to finite and rapidly expending resources here on earth, we didn't even get the material wealth neoliberalism promised us and our overlords are trying to recreate feudalism-by-way-of-company-towns while using former oppression as a weapon to prevent us from uniting against them. And what little actual space progress has been made is the product of an afrikaan corporatist's personal obsession, not some humanistic ideologue fantasy.
The Light of Other Days by Stephen Baxter said:
Heather remembered how her own mother -- God, nearly fifty years back -- would tell her of the kind of future she had grown up with, in more expansive, optimistic years. By the year 2025, her mother used to say, nuclear-powered spacecraft would be plying between the colonized planets, bearing water and precious minerals mined from asteroids. Perhaps the first interstellar probe would already have been launched. And so on.

Perhaps teenagers in that world might have been distracted from each others' body parts -- at least some of the time! -- by the spectacle of the explorers in Mars's Valles Marineris, or Mercury's great Caloris basin, or the shifting ice fields of Europa.

But, she thought, in our world we're still stuck here on Earth, and even the future seems to end in a black hurtling wall of rock, and all we want to do is spy on each other.
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Bassoe said:
TOS was written during the dawn of the age of neoliberalism, before the ideology had actually been tested and demonstrated its flaws.

The idea was that we'd all get along as equals and with everyone contributing, our progress would increase exponentially, technology providing enough material wealth to patch over societal flaws.

The ideologues are still butthurt this conversation never happened and their promise totally failed.

The newly freed and equalized simply treated the civilization of their former oppressors as an exploitable resource, voting to defund the apollo program to transfer the money to themselves and turn NASA's goal from colonizing the solar system, acquiring said promised unlimited resources and lebensraum, to diversity outreach propaganda.


Meanwhile, thanks to finite and rapidly expending resources here on earth, we didn't even get the material wealth neoliberalism promised us and our overlords are trying to recreate feudalism-by-way-of-company-towns while using former oppression as a weapon to prevent us from uniting against them. And what little actual space progress has been made is the product of an afrikaan corporatist's personal obsession, not some humanistic ideologue fantasy.
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The US Space Program had nothing to do with colonizing the Solar System. It had everything to do with competing with the Soviets The Space Program had more military applications (GPS, Spy Satellites and other Military Space Assets) Than anything practical for civilians. Colonizing the Solar System was always government PR Spin.
 
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Dunno how many ship/show retrospective nerds are here, but if you want a bunch of eBooks at a good price, this Humble Bundle deal is pretty good:
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Even with the five books that are pure fluff (The Book of Grudge, Nerd Search: Quibbles with Tribbles, Mr. Spock's Little Book of Mindfulness, Nerd Search: The Next Generation, Star Trek Cocktails), you're still only paying ~$1.48 per book.

That's sadly a great price for eBooks (still), and I doubt they put these on sale all that often.
 
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bullethead said:
Dunno how many ship/show retrospective nerds are here, but if you want a bunch of eBooks at a good price, this Humble Bundle deal is pretty good:

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That's sadly a great price for eBooks (still), and I doubt they put these on sale all that often.
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That doesn't seem like a good deal because a lot of info - like Perry-class deck plans - is available with just a Google search:

 
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You do realize this is for Star Trek Space ships right?

Not the wet navy version IRL.
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Yes, I do.

If you can easily look up the plans for ships the US no longer uses then ST producers really have no business charging for the Sci-Fi stuff they use except to say "here's how much the .pdf cost for you to download".
 
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bintananth said:
That doesn't seem like a good deal because a lot of info - like Perry-class deck plans - is available with just a Google search:
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You do realize that A) people like to look at high quality ship art, and B) some people like reading the artists' thoughts and explanations for their designs, right?

Like, yeah, there's a shit ton of fan art, and a decent amount of the concept art is floating around, but for the newest stuff and some of the most obscure stuff, official publications are the best source.
 
bintananth

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bullethead said:
You do realize that A) people like to look at high quality ship art, and B) some people like reading the artists' thoughts and explanations for their designs, right?

Like, yeah, there's a shit ton of fan art, and a decent amount of the concept art is floating around, but for the newest stuff and some of the most obscure stuff, official publications are the best source.
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You want good. The British couldn't figure out why HMS Iris (ex-USS Hancock) was the fastest and quickest frigate they had despite having captured her after chasing her for 39 hours before she surrendered.
 
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