Warhammer The Iron Empire (Warhammer 40k)

PsihoKekec

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Tristan would be incredibly dangerous combatant if he could switch off his overthinking, but that is like a central pillar of his personality, I doubt it could be done.

and only an idiot denies the good practice of an enemy.

Learn from your enemies, for your enemies are learning from you.

Numbers have their purpose and place, but never forget that we are Human at our core, not machines: we are imperfect beings who do not function solely on logic or reason

Physics is reasonable (outside of Warp that is), human soul is not, we are essentially unreasonable beings who are occasionally reasonable, Tristan being incredibly reasonable is thereby completely out of sync with the humanity
 

ATP

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Great chapters.
Palamedes is helping them in long run,becouse he destroy their tracks - as long as his warband would be tracking them,IoM would be unaware or Iron Warriors existence.

Maybe they could even retake their planet after destroing Slaanesh cult there,if Inquisitor there would cover for them.He is serving Alpharius,right?

Iron wolfes - great idea.
Is scorpion lead by insect mind? it would be wery useful.
Why not use ants hivemind to lead their other automata?
Or wasp minds for missiles ,both on land and in the space?

P.S How they manage to hide fact that Tyrion is dead from Imperial Fists?
 

PsihoKekec

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Also, with Ossus being sent ahead to Kimara I guess we have the answer how Isolde was upgraded to semi-space marine specifications, some of her friends as well. He probably will also make sure that Iron Empire infiltrators in Deathwatch outpost can pass imperium checks.
 

Thunderscourge

Emulating Kill em All Tomino in all Games
Tristan would be incredibly dangerous combatant if he could switch off his overthinking, but that is like a central pillar of his personality, I doubt it could be done.

It is certainly something he'd have to work on, as unless something drastic happens to him he's stubbornly set in his ways. He may be mentally flexible in some ways, such as viewing combat and operations in simple yet effective ways (undermining a base over decades if prep-time is not an issue), but his basic personality is quite resilient which Jarn even notes here about how Tristan is in many ways still the ~8 year old kid he found. Tristan has learned a lot, but he hasn't progressed past that point of his trauma for the most part.

Put more simply, Tristan is basically Aspertartes like his Primarch Asperturabo, something that helps when autistically sitting down and analyzing mountains of data to work on something mechanically or tactically, but leaves you vulnerable to the sudden chaos of direct combat. Natural -4 to initiative rolls.

Learn from your enemies, for your enemies are learning from you.

Palamedes certainly is gathering more information on them the more they encounter one another, so it's important that Tristan continue learning and taking good ideas from around him so that his foe will not be the ultimate victor of the two...even if that means learning from Rogal Dorn.

Physics is reasonable (outside of Warp that is), human soul is not, we are essentially unreasonable beings who are occasionally reasonable, Tristan being incredibly reasonable is thereby completely out of sync with the humanity

Tristan is as you say quite naturally disconnected from Humanity, even more so than the baseline Astarte is, but what ties he does still possess to it are those from when he was first found by Jarn: he deeply cares about a sense of nobility from his childhood upbringing as a knight's son, he cares for those around him, he viciously hates Chaos and those who willingly serve it, and he has a surplus of the innate Human drive to survive.

However he won't bat an eyelash at removing an entire Xenos species on a planet from existence if they are hostile and threaten him and his men, as while he would rather do things without conflict (it takes time and resources and thus is inefficient compared to just peacefully minding one's business) that doesn't mean he will be so empathetic as to let you live if you are a threat. That ruthless and utterly without mercy side is saved for those who typically earn it in some way, though his general disconnect from basic Humanity might see it arise on other occasions too.

With this being the case, it is perhaps fitting that his personal moniker has become the 'Iron Lich'.

Great chapters.
Palamedes is helping them in long run,becouse he destroy their tracks - as long as his warband would be tracking them,IoM would be unaware or Iron Warriors existence.

It is a natural byproduct of Palamedes' actions yes, though Palamedes himself benefits more from doing so at the moment since he can leverage his greater forces as a threat that make the Iron Warriors back down from otherwise great sources of minerals and such that can be used to fuel their war machine. Instead Palamedes obtains whatever is left behind, and while he has to brush up against the Imperium more he is able to use those spoils of war to recoup his losses.

A less competent commander would fall victim to the Imperium, but so far Palamedes has been able to mostly escape its ire and whatever Imperials he has come across haven't lived to tell the tale...if they were not corrupted into joining him that is. Besides, some bloodshed now and again keeps Khorne happy, so this balance of expanding his forces and occasionally fighting grand battles suits a Khornate warband well.

Maybe they could even retake their planet after destroing Slaanesh cult there,if Inquisitor there would cover for them.He is serving Alpharius,right?

He was, but in a prior update it was noted that he was slain when meeting with Verita by the Governor's forces. They gave chase to her and she sustained injuries in the process which is why she was bleeding when she met Alpharius, having survived the ambush and barely made it out with her life.

Iron wolfes - great idea.
Is scorpion lead by insect mind? it would be wery useful.
Why not use ants hivemind to lead their other automata?
Or wasp minds for missiles ,both on land and in the space?

Tristan will likely stay away from AI that can talk and communicate with one another because while he is not so worried about AI rebellion as to not dabble in it at all, he wouldn't want a Men of Iron situation to crop up.

At the moment what he has are essentially Star Wars Battle Droids, Zoids Command Wolves, and Bionicle Nui Jaga if I were to compare them to other things. The Battle Droids are literally meant to go into battles where casualties are expected so fixable droids get wrecked instead of Astartes or Humans, so they only have the minimal AI necessary to do their jobs, while the Wolves have their former doggo instincts and mind, and the Nui Jaga are still a work in progress but probably will have a "dumb" AI to prevent these massive war machines from causing issues to allies.

P.S How they manage to hide fact that Tyrion is dead from Imperial Fists?

Forge records, make it seem like he survived, have the loss of the base be his reason for joining the Deathwatch, and the people who knew him personally are dead or nowhere near Kimara so won't be able to contradict the narrative.

Standard Alpha Legion work basically. If no-one can contradict you then it is much easier to convince someone of the 'truth'.

Also, with Ossus being sent ahead to Kimara I guess we have the answer how Isolde was upgraded to semi-space marine specifications, some of her friends as well. He probably will also make sure that Iron Empire infiltrators in Deathwatch outpost can pass imperium checks.

This is definitely likely given the details you mention. Ossus being involved in whatever arrangements Jarn had with Fabius Bile, and Ossus being on Kimara, makes him having something to do with Isolde being a modified Human logical. Chances are others at the Schola are as well, but unlike Isolde whose existence seemingly came from nowhere (the Commandant just brought the young Isolde there one day without anyone knowing from where) others likely would have had to undergo surgeries...but when the Schola runs every aspect of your life, who are you to question some allegedly routine medical checkup or surgery?

With this in mind the physical feats Isolde and some of the others have accomplished is even more justified, as they are not merely the top students of the already elite Schola system, they have been augmented in various ways. This being said, they aren't truly super-human by most measures, merely enhanced as is common throughout the 40k setting. Kimara already regularly practiced gene-crafting so a variant form of it is not even going to be out of the ordinary on such a world.

No female space marines, but that doesn't mean one can't utilize the existing 40k baseline Human enhancements to make even the female Schola students perform at peak/optimal Human levels.
 

ATP

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It is certainly something he'd have to work on, as unless something drastic happens to him he's stubbornly set in his ways. He may be mentally flexible in some ways, such as viewing combat and operations in simple yet effective ways (undermining a base over decades if prep-time is not an issue), but his basic personality is quite resilient which Jarn even notes here about how Tristan is in many ways still the ~8 year old kid he found. Tristan has learned a lot, but he hasn't progressed past that point of his trauma for the most part.

Put more simply, Tristan is basically Aspertartes like his Primarch Asperturabo, something that helps when autistically sitting down and analyzing mountains of data to work on something mechanically or tactically, but leaves you vulnerable to the sudden chaos of direct combat. Natural -4 to initiative rolls.



Palamedes certainly is gathering more information on them the more they encounter one another, so it's important that Tristan continue learning and taking good ideas from around him so that his foe will not be the ultimate victor of the two...even if that means learning from Rogal Dorn.



Tristan is as you say quite naturally disconnected from Humanity, even more so than the baseline Astarte is, but what ties he does still possess to it are those from when he was first found by Jarn: he deeply cares about a sense of nobility from his childhood upbringing as a knight's son, he cares for those around him, he viciously hates Chaos and those who willingly serve it, and he has a surplus of the innate Human drive to survive.

However he won't bat an eyelash at removing an entire Xenos species on a planet from existence if they are hostile and threaten him and his men, as while he would rather do things without conflict (it takes time and resources and thus is inefficient compared to just peacefully minding one's business) that doesn't mean he will be so empathetic as to let you live if you are a threat. That ruthless and utterly without mercy side is saved for those who typically earn it in some way, though his general disconnect from basic Humanity might see it arise on other occasions too.

With this being the case, it is perhaps fitting that his personal moniker has become the 'Iron Lich'.



It is a natural byproduct of Palamedes' actions yes, though Palamedes himself benefits more from doing so at the moment since he can leverage his greater forces as a threat that make the Iron Warriors back down from otherwise great sources of minerals and such that can be used to fuel their war machine. Instead Palamedes obtains whatever is left behind, and while he has to brush up against the Imperium more he is able to use those spoils of war to recoup his losses.

A less competent commander would fall victim to the Imperium, but so far Palamedes has been able to mostly escape its ire and whatever Imperials he has come across haven't lived to tell the tale...if they were not corrupted into joining him that is. Besides, some bloodshed now and again keeps Khorne happy, so this balance of expanding his forces and occasionally fighting grand battles suits a Khornate warband well.



He was, but in a prior update it was noted that he was slain when meeting with Verita by the Governor's forces. They gave chase to her and she sustained injuries in the process which is why she was bleeding when she met Alpharius, having survived the ambush and barely made it out with her life.



Tristan will likely stay away from AI that can talk and communicate with one another because while he is not so worried about AI rebellion as to not dabble in it at all, he wouldn't want a Men of Iron situation to crop up.

At the moment what he has are essentially Star Wars Battle Droids, Zoids Command Wolves, and Bionicle Nui Jaga if I were to compare them to other things. The Battle Droids are literally meant to go into battles where casualties are expected so fixable droids get wrecked instead of Astartes or Humans, so they only have the minimal AI necessary to do their jobs, while the Wolves have their former doggo instincts and mind, and the Nui Jaga are still a work in progress but probably will have a "dumb" AI to prevent these massive war machines from causing issues to allies.



Forge records, make it seem like he survived, have the loss of the base be his reason for joining the Deathwatch, and the people who knew him personally are dead or nowhere near Kimara so won't be able to contradict the narrative.

Standard Alpha Legion work basically. If no-one can contradict you then it is much easier to convince someone of the 'truth'.



This is definitely likely given the details you mention. Ossus being involved in whatever arrangements Jarn had with Fabius Bile, and Ossus being on Kimara, makes him having something to do with Isolde being a modified Human logical. Chances are others at the Schola are as well, but unlike Isolde whose existence seemingly came from nowhere (the Commandant just brought the young Isolde there one day without anyone knowing from where) others likely would have had to undergo surgeries...but when the Schola runs every aspect of your life, who are you to question some allegedly routine medical checkup or surgery?

With this in mind the physical feats Isolde and some of the others have accomplished is even more justified, as they are not merely the top students of the already elite Schola system, they have been augmented in various ways. This being said, they aren't truly super-human by most measures, merely enhanced as is common throughout the 40k setting. Kimara already regularly practiced gene-crafting so a variant form of it is not even going to be out of the ordinary on such a world.

No female space marines, but that doesn't mean one can't utilize the existing 40k baseline Human enhancements to make even the female Schola students perform at peak/optimal Human levels.

So,Tristan not only have mental issues,but is still ,at least partially,traumatized child? I hope,that after killing Palamedes it would be solved.
And,it is good that he is practical.He would not kil xenos for sake of purging them,only when he need it to achieve his goals.
And let them live if it is safe and he could profit from it.
I think,That upper echelons of IoM have the same attitude.They do not genocide Tau,after all.

Most important - Tristan need not only kill Palomedes,but do that in the way which hide fact that Iron Warriors fought on Kimara.Without friendly Inquisitor it would be hard to achieve,and he unfortunatelly died.

Maybe fake Tyrion could fake it as well?
With slaneeschi cultist there,all fights could be explained as Chaos fighting each other.Nothing strange in WH40.
Only problem - Mechanicus forces there.They need to die,otherwise they would report that Iron Warriors was there.

P.S Why not use insect-like AI? they should be fine,especially for missies.
Or fish/reptile - i once saw on Discovery robo-fish lead by fish brain,which was perfectly fine in swimming.If we could that,Iron Warriors could do better.
 

ATP

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Since Trustan is using Automata,then what about them?
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They would certainly be loyal - and he could get harem at the same time!
 
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Paladin Wulfen

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This is definitely likely given the details you mention. Ossus being involved in whatever arrangements Jarn had with Fabius Bile, and Ossus being on Kimara, makes him having something to do with Isolde being a modified Human logical. Chances are others at the Schola are as well, but unlike Isolde whose existence seemingly came from nowhere (the Commandant just brought the young Isolde there one day without anyone knowing from where) others likely would have had to undergo surgeries...but when the Schola runs every aspect of your life, who are you to question some allegedly routine medical checkup or surgery?

With this in mind the physical feats Isolde and some of the others have accomplished is even more justified, as they are not merely the top students of the already elite Schola system, they have been augmented in various ways. This being said, they aren't truly super-human by most measures, merely enhanced as is common throughout the 40k setting. Kimara already regularly practiced gene-crafting so a variant form of it is not even going to be out of the ordinary on such a world.
I am the only who see a possible romantic relation between Isolda and Tristan?
 

PsihoKekec

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I am the only who see a possible romantic relation between Isolda and Tristan?
The option of them being entwined was laid out since she saw the video of his training, but I reckoned it would be platonic, until Thunderscourge revealed just how enhanced she is. Come to think of it, this just might be point of contention between Levente and Tristan, as Tristan gets a GF and Levente does not.
 

ATP

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I am the only who see a possible romantic relation between Isolda and Tristan?

You are genius,i do not seen that.
The option of them being entwined was laid out since she saw the video of his training, but I reckoned it would be platonic, until Thunderscourge revealed just how enhanced she is. Come to think of it, this just might be point of contention between Levente and Tristan, as Tristan gets a GF and Levente does not.

True.But - why Levante should be angry? other girls there are enhanced,too!
 

PsihoKekec

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We have no evidence that other girls are enhanced in the same way she is, certainly none has her size, so it's unlikely there are more Astartes compatible females in the world. Dairine is enhanced to be assassin and it is possible Verita has some minor enhancement.
 

ATP

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We have no evidence that other girls are enhanced in the same way she is, certainly none has her size, so it's unlikely there are more Astartes compatible females in the world. Dairine is enhanced to be assassin and it is possible Verita has some minor enhancement.
Poor Levante.Dear author,gave him some cute girl!
What about Dark Elves witch?
 

Thunderscourge

Emulating Kill em All Tomino in all Games
So,Tristan not only have mental issues,but is still ,at least partially,traumatized child? I hope,that after killing Palamedes it would be solved.

Tristan will always be a bit Tism, but killing Palamedes will at least help him move on from his past and grow a bit more as a person.

And,it is good that he is practical.He would not kil xenos for sake of purging them,only when he need it to achieve his goals.
And let them live if it is safe and he could profit from it.

As shown by Asier ties to other species is on the table, it will just be a matter of finding specific subgroups of them that aren't going to backstab them: as shown by Tristan's interaction with a Xenos species before that kept trying to wage war against him when he offered peace, he was willing to wipe them off the face of the planet to prevent allied casualties. Xenos who pose a threat will be purged without mercy, but those with genuine potential for being allies could be spared such fates.

They would certainly be loyal - and he could get harem at the same time!

While funny, no, Tristan won't create a robot waifu army. He already has battle droids and such so it'd be redundant.

I am the only who see a possible romantic relation between Isolda and Tristan?


Natural Born Astartes

That's my guess at the goal of gene tampering with Isolde.

That is a fair bet, especially given that Fabius Bile was involved in Jarn's plans.

The option of them being entwined was laid out since she saw the video of his training, but I reckoned it would be platonic, until Thunderscourge revealed just how enhanced she is. Come to think of it, this just might be point of contention between Levente and Tristan, as Tristan gets a GF and Levente does not.

Levente always could get a GF, though his tastes would likely be one who could commit mass slaughter like him.

True.But - why Levante should be angry? other girls there are enhanced,too!

Levente being angry is his natural state of being when it comes to Tristan, like a jealous older brother.

We have no evidence that other girls are enhanced in the same way she is, certainly none has her size, so it's unlikely there are more Astartes compatible females in the world. Dairine is enhanced to be assassin and it is possible Verita has some minor enhancement.

Isolde's immense size and physical form might have something to do with her seeming heritage as people have speculated, as if she is a Jarn she comes from a family of giants. Enhance that and you get someone like Isolde.

This being said, Dairine and Verita are fairly tall too, being over 6 feet tall each, but they aren't quite Isolde's height.

Poor Levante.Dear author,gave him some cute girl!
What about Dark Elves witch?

Funnily enough when I first sat down and thought out the characters for the story I came to develop Levente after envisioning his interacting with a woman on Kimara. From that scenario I developed him more, so give it time and we'll see how Levente fares.
 
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PsihoKekec

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What about Dark Elves witch?

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Paladin Wulfen

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It would be Levante.He would not beg for stopping,but demand more!
When you expect they surrender but they ask you for more attacks.

Ah shit. I forget about that legend.
I have some type mental image about Tristan very similar to Konrad Curze in physic but... How is Isolda, I know she is tall but nothing more.
 
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@Thunderscourge ,if you need some technology,just add planet with it - no matter from what,anime,movie,cartoon - and let Iron Warriors take it from that.
Or,in case of cyvilizations with spaceship,let them find damaged ship.It would be even better.

Or,you could made your own lost cyvilization from the scratch for that purpose.Tanks to that,you could get Astartes with power fields,railguns,reliable plasma weapons....
And ships with the same and much better missiles.Maybe something like Honor Harrington X-ray misslies?
 

Batrix2070

RON/PLC was a wonderful country.
Why are you so insistent on author changing a good, character driven story, into magic tech wank?
Because he wants to? But it's up to the author, right?
I would rather suggest that Tristan develop something like W2MPIR-style drones, simple for 40 millennial machines with simple scripts that didn't even stand next to AI.
 
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