The Logistics of Good Living (ASOIAF, Brandon Stark SI)

The Whispering Monk

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I'd recommend your long bowman take up skirmisher tactics and dispersed formations. Lets them use cover and the longbow will allow dispersed formations to still focus fire on concentrated troops.

Additionally, focus training for your infantry unit. EITHER polearm OR short sword and shield. What I might do instead is a mixed unit that has half of one and then half crossbows. Set up to fight so that the Crossbows are drilled to fire DURING the close fight as well as right before contact to help break up a charge.
 

Karmic Acumen

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I'd recommend your long bowman take up skirmisher tactics and dispersed formations. Lets them use cover and the longbow will allow dispersed formations to still focus fire on concentrated troops.
Sounds legit enough.
Additionally, focus training for your infantry unit. EITHER polearm OR short sword and shield. What I might do instead is a mixed unit that has half of one and then half crossbows. Set up to fight so that the Crossbows are drilled to fire DURING the close fight as well as right before contact to help break up a charge.
Here I don't agree - if it's a professional force, I expect it to at the very LEAST match men-at-arms. All of whom train with sword, spear, bow and lance. Crossbows are easy to master compared to bows. I would have a VERY low opinion of an army whose soldiers can't fire at least a middling shot, especially in formation, and these would be professionals.

IRL today, soldiers are expected to know how to use small arms, semi-automatics, full automatics, grenades and at least know their way around CQC and a knife. I might be letting my medieval infantry off easy.
 

The Whispering Monk

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IRL today, soldiers are expected to know how to use small arms, semi-automatics, full automatics, grenades and at least know their way around CQC and a knife. I might be letting my medieval infantry off easy.

The amount of training needed to be proficient with firearms is MUCH less than learning melee weapons.

As for the crossbow training...I'm talking about a portion of a unit that's trained to fire through his own unit while it is engaged. That will take a lot of training to develop the skills and the trust. Admittedly, this plan may be too complex.

And IRL...the general military hand to hand training is a joke.
 

Wargamer08

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Throw out any idea of getting decent longbowmen in a generation. That’s the kind of thing that takes decades and more of proper nutrition and physical training to be able to do. If the institutions for it aren’t in place already you just can not get the number of men with the physical strength and training you need on command. Even if the people to make the bows and fletch the arrows exist, you won’t have enough people to use them.

Now would be a good time to start those kind of archery traditions; contests, prizes, employment and the like. It needs to be something that fathers train their sons in, a trade if you will. It took a whole lot of effort on the part of the English to build and maintain their longbow corps.

For your scouts, you’re looking for mounted outriders. Men on foot just don’t have the ability to go out around the army to reconnoiter and come back in a reasonable timeframe. Without radios it’s far more important that you get your scouting information in a timely manner then a stealthy one. Historically this was the roll of most cavalry after the prominence of firearms developed. You’re looking for men that can operate on their own or in small groups, are willing to judge the risks of gathering intelligence and return. For weapons, you’re looking for horse bows and sidearm of choice. They need to be able to defend themselves or attack other scouts if needed from horseback. Adjust for skis as needed, but man would I not want to have to operate a crossbow stirrup in a foot or two of snow wearing skis or snow shoes.

For the shock cavalry past a certain point it’s not really about the equipment. Decent plate, mounted polearm, sidearm, shield. Easy enough. It’s formation and group training. Large numbers of heavy shock cavalry in the current era very rarely train together. It’s all small group work or duels or tournament games. Very little work on formation signals or unified attack stuff. The French historically managed to make heavy cavalry work well past when it should have been obsoleted by firearms with extensive group training of their cavalry. They fought as a cohesive unit, with all the benefits that brings to moral and effectiveness.

Honesty for the infantry the real reason you don’t have one man learn a half dozen weapons isn’t just that he’ll be individually worse at them. It’s that you can split those weapons up and arm three to four men instead of just one. Good weapons are expensive, a crossbow man with a large shield and sidearm can get away with lighter armour, saving money. A billman just needs a sidearm with some stout maile. Sure you get an increase in effective coverage by giving everyone full armour and a half dozen weapons, but are you cash limited or manpower limited?
 

Karmic Acumen

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Throw out any idea of getting decent longbowmen in a generation. That’s the kind of thing that takes decades and more of proper nutrition and physical training to be able to do. If the institutions for it aren’t in place already you just can not get the number of men with the physical strength and training you need on command. Even if the people to make the bows and fletch the arrows exist, you won’t have enough people to use them.

Now would be a good time to start those kind of archery traditions; contests, prizes, employment and the like. It needs to be something that fathers train their sons in, a trade if you will. It took a whole lot of effort on the part of the English to build and maintain their longbow corps.

For your scouts, you’re looking for mounted outriders. Men on foot just don’t have the ability to go out around the army to reconnoiter and come back in a reasonable timeframe. Without radios it’s far more important that you get your scouting information in a timely manner then a stealthy one. Historically this was the roll of most cavalry after the prominence of firearms developed. You’re looking for men that can operate on their own or in small groups, are willing to judge the risks of gathering intelligence and return. For weapons, you’re looking for horse bows and sidearm of choice. They need to be able to defend themselves or attack other scouts if needed from horseback. Adjust for skis as needed, but man would I not want to have to operate a crossbow stirrup in a foot or two of snow wearing skis or snow shoes.

For the shock cavalry past a certain point it’s not really about the equipment. Decent plate, mounted polearm, sidearm, shield. Easy enough. It’s formation and group training. Large numbers of heavy shock cavalry in the current era very rarely train together. It’s all small group work or duels or tournament games. Very little work on formation signals or unified attack stuff. The French historically managed to make heavy cavalry work well past when it should have been obsoleted by firearms with extensive group training of their cavalry. They fought as a cohesive unit, with all the benefits that brings to moral and effectiveness.

Honesty for the infantry the real reason you don’t have one man learn a half dozen weapons isn’t just that he’ll be individually worse at them. It’s that you can split those weapons up and arm three to four men instead of just one. Good weapons are expensive, a crossbow man with a large shield and sidearm can get away with lighter armour, saving money. A billman just needs a sidearm with some stout maile. Sure you get an increase in effective coverage by giving everyone full armour and a half dozen weapons, but are you cash limited or manpower limited?
Hmm. So, infantry would be more like lamellar mail, pike/halberd, pavise, swords and daggers? Maybe some javelins for when they're on watch or patrol? Or filling in for city guard? And yeah, formation training was always going to be the core.

About scouts of course they'd be mounted outside winter. But what about forests? Or swamps? What if you want to set up an ambush, or traps? Then you're shit out of luck, and camouflage equipment works in both cases. Horses get livery too, it can be in place of that. You have a point about crossbows though, especially on skis. Bowmen it is.

I don't get why longbowmen wouldn't crop up in a generation though, with those traditions (which I thought already existed, or are archery contests at tourneys just occasional exceptions?). A generation is basically the time it takes to be born and grow to adulthood. So it already is multiple decades. Or were you using another meaning?
 

Wargamer08

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Hmm. So, infantry would be more like lamellar mail, pike/halberd, pavise, swords and daggers? Maybe some javelins for when they're on watch or patrol? Or filling in for city guard? And yeah, formation training was always going to be the core.

About scouts of course they'd be mounted outside winter. But what about forests? Or swamps? What if you want to set up an ambush, or traps? Then you're shit out of luck, and camouflage equipment works in both cases. Horses get livery too, it can be in place of that. You have a point about crossbows though, especially on skis. Bowmen it is.

I don't get why longbowmen wouldn't crop up in a generation though, with those traditions (which I thought already existed, or are archery contests at tourneys just occasional exceptions?). A generation is basically the time it takes to be born and grow to adulthood. So it already is multiple decades. Or were you using another meaning?
So there is a distinct difference between a longbowmen and just an archer. Drawing back the kind of weights you need for an effective longbowmen takes a very heavy and particular build. You need to be able to draw 100-120lbs over and over again. At least 5-10 times for volleys and several volleys a battle. It’s basically the single most muscle focused task on the battlefield. When they excavate bodies in dig sites they can pretty much instantly determine military grade longbowmen from their distinctive body deformities. All this requires both a well fed, well trained body and techniques to do so safely as a misdraw or equipment failure can and will cripple or kill the longbowmen due to the forces involved.

Basically there is a reason that longbow troops were so rarely seen despite their advantages in range and effectiveness. Trying to get things started with troops who have no idea what they are doing and are not physically built right will take time, a lot of time. This generally the reason people just used bows and crossbows. They both require far less physical ability and are far less dangerous and are easier to both train and use.

Also keep in mind, archer contests at game of thrones tournaments tend to be third string at best. No real noble man is seriously competing there, while contrast that to English nobility and their treatment of skill at the longbow. Where you’ve got important gentlemen and nobility known for their skill with the longbow. Simply, a half dozen skilled archer that might be using longbows is not enough to field them in militarily relevant unit sizes.
 
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Wargamer08

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I’ll add that adding longbowmen to a fantasy or historical story is pretty commonplace, just like adding horse archers. Both were excellent units in service at the time that have an outsized impact on both history and the battlefield. Both were also super fucking rare and generally an intrinsic part of the culture of the people using them.

They both are not just something you can take the average person and give a couple months of instruction to get. They take a lifetime of dedication and require reasons for why someone would do so. You need more then a couple weirdo at odds with your culture to make either work. It’s not enough to have a small number who can sorta do it for fun.

English longbowmen and Mongol horsearchers defined their eras of history. If it was simple and easy, everyone would have done it and they would not have been notable.
 

Karmic Acumen

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I’ll add that adding longbowmen to a fantasy or historical story is pretty commonplace, just like adding horse archers. Both were excellent units in service at the time that have an outsized impact on both history and the battlefield. Both were also super fucking rare and generally an intrinsic part of the culture of the people using them.

They both are not just something you can take the average person and give a couple months of instruction to get. They take a lifetime of dedication and require reasons for why someone would do so. You need more then a couple weirdo at odds with your culture to make either work. It’s not enough to have a small number who can sorta do it for fun.

English longbowmen and Mongol horsearchers defined their eras of history. If it was simple and easy, everyone would have done it and they would not have been notable.
So... still not seeing why it's not enough to see them become available in a 'generation.' That's ~ 20-30 years, and I'd expect a such a skill to be honed pretty well by age 16.

It could easily be normalised as an addon to the martial culture of all those sweet sellswords that just came back to settle down in a certain skinner's lands. Couple it wIth some manner of scutage and I don't see the problem
 

Wargamer08

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So... still not seeing why it's not enough to see them become available in a 'generation.' That's ~ 20-30 years, and I'd expect a such a skill to be honed pretty well by age 16.

It could easily be normalised as an addon to the martial culture of all those sweet sellswords that just came back to settle down in a certain skinner's lands. Couple it wIth some manner of scutage and I don't see the problem
If you can get it to stick. You’re already make a whole bunch of cultural changes already. You need to convince your farmer class that having a strong male child or man practice for hours a day on a hard physical task instead of working towards supporting the family via farm work. This is something that was culturally hard, because just a bow was usually good enough and took way less time leaving more for actually supporting farm work. Can this be done? Yes of course, but it needs to be deliberate and intentional and well integrated.

Basically I don’t think you can balance too many military cultures. Focus on one or two for each economic and social class at best. Trying to go for Swiss pike, English longbows, Italian crossbows and French cavalry at the same time is a big ask.
 

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For special forces, go for more individualized loadouts, not just for practical purposes, but it also helps individualize the characters.

So one guy who can snipe with a bow, another who can sneak around and set up traps, etc. As for

I don't get why longbowmen wouldn't crop up in a generation though, with those traditions (which I thought already existed, or are archery contests at tourneys just occasional exceptions?). A generation is basically the time it takes to be born and grow to adulthood. So it already is multiple decades. Or were you using another meaning?
Traditions don't just appear from nowhere, unless a lot of kids were studying them, it's unlikely that it gets widely adopted. Longbows are incredibly difficult to use, needing year round training to keep in shape, so you'd need a standing army, which few can afford. Crossbows are better if one isn't English/Welsh for the same reason that guns are: Easier to train.

Also longbows aren't autowins. Shields will stop them from a distance, and against full armor, the main benefit is hurting the horses.

I'd also dump the horses, as they aren't as useful in the North during winter. The North's wincon is the same as Russia's on defense, and every city is built to store food because of the Winter. So with decent walls, you are nearly impossible to siege.
 

Wargamer08

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For special forces, go for more individualized loadouts, not just for practical purposes, but it also helps individualize the characters.

So one guy who can snipe with a bow, another who can sneak around and set up traps, etc.


Traditions don't just appear from nowhere, unless a lot of kids were studying them, it's unlikely that it gets widely adopted. Longbows are incredibly difficult to use, needing year round training to keep in shape, so you'd need a standing army, which few can afford. Crossbows are better if one isn't English/Welsh for the same reason that guns are: Easier to train.

Also longbows aren't autowins. Shields will stop them from a distance, and against full armor, the main benefit is hurting the horses.
The big use I’ve read on longbows is that they tend to outrange the other guys archers. So you can start shooting at them before they can, so your archers are set up and the other guy has got to close to range. As archers tend to be lightly armoured this means that you can cause them to fall into disarray before they can start doing the same to you, leaving your longbowmen the field to harass the enemy’s center. Generally people in good armour are not killed by bows, even longbows, but the pressure of being shot tends to either force the troops to withdraw or push forward into your lines. Human physiology does not do well with being attacked and doing nothing.
 

ATP

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For anything resembling a professional army, I am tentatively considering...
  1. Infantry: lamellar mail, crossbow, halberd (thrust, sweep/hook feet, etc.), shield (pavise), shovel, survival/hiking kit. Train with emphasis on endurance and lockstep formations. Maybe a short sword. Also fulfill role of ranged forces.
  2. Cavalry: not much to change here (maybe bite the bullet and make winged hussars?). Full/half plate plate, pollaxe, war hammer, small hammer, standard knight kit (as IRL). Add in lances for charges.
  3. Logistical branch, like the Order of Stewards of the Night's Watch
  4. Maybe a small dedicated scouting branch? (crossbow, longbow, ski, stealth taught by Reeds). Merged with stewards?
  5. Special Forces (top combat, top stealth/guerilla by Reed again). Lamellar/gambeson, camouflage cloaks, war hammers, crossbow, nets (?), not sure what weapon would be best for these guys, maybe the people with English longbows would be trained in this (it takes a LOT of strength to draw one of those things). Dragoons? (harassment, shock troops, other special missions).
    1. Skirmisher tactics and dispersed formations. Lets them use cover and the longbow will allow dispersed formations to still focus fire on concentrated troops.​
  6. Field medics
There would be a navy as well, but I don't know for sure about that yet.

1.So,basically italian infrantry with helbards? good idea.If they get stakes to made them before their formation,calvary could not charge them.
But,you could gave them half-plate,not lamellar.
2.Calvary - winged hussars was possible only becouse we /Poland/buy a lot of worm blood horses from Ottomans and Persia,mixed it with european warm blood and reasult sometimes was big enough for winged hussars.Smaller was send to medium and light calvary.
So,Unless you find good worm blood horses,not possible.
But - you could copy their armour,especially breastplate with angled armour witch made ricochett aenemy projectiles.
3.Very good idea,add engineere,too.
4.Rangers from LOTR - i like it.


About Longbows - you need 5 years to train average archer,so it would take time and money,becouse they must train every day.But results would be great.

horse archers - Bellisarius cathaparc had armour,lances and bows,so you could create unit like them without special horses,needed for winged hussarls.
But,again,you need time and money.Bellisarius tend to hire steppe people,and...sailors and mountain people if they could learn riding horses.Why? becouse they were used to hardship.
 

Karmic Acumen

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But,you could gave them half-plate,not lamellar.
Lamellar is much cheaper and easier to make (you basically mass produce little plate slabs), as well as repair by the soldier himself - all he has to do is sew in new scales if it gets damaged, and the protection is comparable AND can be extended to the limbs, where you'd otherwise need ringmail or nothing.
 

Wargamer08

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Lamellar is much cheaper and easier to make (you basically mass produce little plate slabs), as well as repair by the soldier himself - all he has to do is sew in new scales if it gets damaged, and the protection is comparable AND can be extended to the limbs, where you'd otherwise need ringmail or nothing.
I’m fairly sure it still requires more upfront workout of your smiths then mail, and you can’t offload a much of the work onto less skilled workers. However I’ve heard good things about lamellar’s durabilty and protection.
 

ATP

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Lamellar is much cheaper and easier to make (you basically mass produce little plate slabs), as well as repair by the soldier himself - all he has to do is sew in new scales if it gets damaged, and the protection is comparable AND can be extended to the limbs, where you'd otherwise need ringmail or nothing.

Indeed.And i read once about peoples who used plate during winter and get frost-bites from that.Mail user was save from that,but i do not knew how lamellar would react.
If it not made frost-bites,it is another reason for North to use that.
 
Intermission: A Short Reach Is No State for a Hand (Marra)

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MARRA

“-. 274 AC .-“​

The clans were many. All with their own peculiarities and customs. Some recognized chieftains. Others were led by clan mothers or magnars. Some lived in peace. Others existed in a perpetual state of conflict, warring against each other and themselves. Some clans lived in small villages. Others built halls and sometimes even managed to hold them for a generation. Some still were loners that went where whim took them, held down only by their own needs. She’d met many of them these past four years. Some were fought with. Some were treated with. Some were stolen from, in food and tools and women. Some stole from them too before being driven off, or more often beaten down and absorbed by killing the men and impregnating the women. The clan had swelled in size, in men and women and children that didn’t understand each other half the time because of all the different tongues. Even so, she’d heard mutterings about old gods and cold gods and tribes that lived in a hidden valley somewhere far to the North. The men were always scornful and wary about those last ones. Almost as much as for the dwellers of the ice rivers, the dark gods of the cave dwellers, and the frozen shores at both ends of the Wall. But all of the tribes shared three deep-set beliefs: they hated the Night’s Watch, they did not kneel, and they placed immense importance on a man keeping his word once given.

It was all one big pile of shit. A fat, stinking turd dumped by a lying sack of shit in the steaming snow.

They claimed honor but raided in the dead of night. They kept their word but promised only ill unless beaten down first. They called themselves free folk but made wives out of kidnapped women. They claimed not to pledge allegiance to any one bloodline or kneel or suffer kings, but every other song was about lineage. Their boasts always went back to their mother, and their mother’s mother, and whichever King they were ever so surely descended from. Joramun, the Horned Lord, Raymun Redbeard, Bael the Bard.

And then there was their law and custom…

She remembered it as if it was happening right in front of her. Two lads with not a fight to their name arguing about some lay or song. The Game of Thrones and Kneelers, she thought it might be called. One of them talked about the heroes. The second tried to lecture the first about the heroes. A nearby man idly mused how the heroes weren’t heroes at all since they didn’t actually decide anything that happened. The first lad disagreed with the man. The second told the man to take his miserable self elsewhere if he hated the song so much. The man jokingly told the lad that people might start to worry about his wits if he misjudged other people so badly. Then proceeded to blithely explain why the boys were wrong about everything. The second lad challenged the man to a contest of wits and lost. Badly. The man waited to see if he’d be challenged to a contest of arms, but neither lad proved brave enough. The group dispersed.

Then the first lad and a friend that hadn’t even been involved went and complained on behalf of the second lad to the Callow Bear himself. Not that they were brave enough to call Gerrick Kingsblood that to his face anymore, now that he was chieftain despite the paltry difference in age between them. They were plenty brave to twist words and speak poison into his ear though. Both of them had challenged the wise man in the past and lost. Repeatedly. And oh, how they smarted over it even now.

So what did the great chief then do? He listened to the two and banished the man from their tribe for his ‘insult.’ Didn’t ask for his version of the story. Or even the rude boy, even though he was the only one in the mess that actually had done insult. And when the man went and asked why he was getting punished for the boys’ foolishness, and why the lad wasn’t getting the same treatment for his own insult, the great chief had his late father’s shieldmen beat him up. Told him it was too late to come ‘whining’ now, and how dare he abuse his trust? But since he whined so well, he’d give the lads a talking to and the man could come back to the tribe in a sennight. If he was still alive by then, he’d earned his place among them. Such magnanimity, so just was he the Kingsblood, isn’t it just so? Never mind that it was the middle of winter!

She plunged into the memory. Sunk her teeth deep into it. Just like her father had told her after mother died and she spent days just a breath away from wanting to fall to pieces and join her. Get angry he’d told her. Get angry at something else. Something that made your blood boil. Not too old that you forgot how it felt. Not too new that there’s anything you can do about it. Find it. Sink your teeth into it until there’s no room in your head for anything else. It’s exhausting, but it’ll get you through the day even when you feel like jumping from a tower. And when night comes, you’ll be so tired that you’ll sleep it all away too, terrors or not.

The law and custom of the free folk. Reward whiny fools for their lies, punish the wise for the restraint of only giving as good as they got, and then wonder why your tribe is all fools and cheats and schemers. When the only lesson you teach is that one should never hold you to your own standards because they’re a steaming pile of shit, no wonder wildlings didn’t have thrones or laws or even a strip of land between them, creatures like them weren’t fit to rule a dungheap, let alone a kingdom and if she had to smell his rancid breath and taste his tongue one more time she’d-

A snarl. A choked gasp. A gust of cold wind put out the fire.

Marra gasped as a great weight bowled the man and wrenched him off and out of her.

She curled upon herself, groping blindly. For sheets, and furs, and more. The grunting snarls of beast mixed with the snarling grunts of man in the darkness. Growls and grunts and Old Tongue spat in reply and challenge all at once. The fray seemed to rampage in and out of the tent, but she hadn’t the ears for any of it. Shadows whirled viciously over the curtain walls. Man and wolf and axe and fang. She even thought she saw wings, for a moment, before they were gone like the haze of every dream she ever had except the ones that always warned her down and made her endure her captivity and humiliation for just that little bit longer. Tooth and claw and axe bit back and forth in the darkness, threatening to throw her to the ground yet again.

The bone knife she’d secreted away bore into her raper’s neck from behind, straight through the spine.

Gerrick Kingsblood toppled forward, dead before he hit the ground.

The yurt grew still.

There were screams and shouts and the clamour of weapons everywhere outside.

Marra couldn’t care about it. She just stood there, a crude coat of fur her only shield against the cold as she stared down at the remains of the one who fancied himself the heir to Raymun Redbeard. She barely saw him in the pitch darkness, or anything else. But she could imagine him well enough after all that time. The wildling who’d ever so bravely run off with his men – and her – while his father died to her uncle and the clan champion to her father. So many times she’d wanted to knife him. Yearned for it. Planned it. Every time she’d get a dream that warned her not to. Made her feel just a little bit forbearing. Reminded her she’d be killed for murder and kinslaying and gave her the strength to take it just a little bit longer.

Warm fur brushed against her, then cold fur speckled with grains of ice. Cold and crisp upon her skin. Hoarfrost. She thought of home, where her father was eternally exasperated at her, her uncles spoiled her, and her grandfather called her silly maid.

She wondered why she’d ever let her dreams turn her meek at all. She’d always claimed she’d die before being taken. And she’d never lied.

The great beast was at the mouth of the tent now. Looking at her. A sudden gust of wind blew open the tent flaps, illuminating its outline stark clear for a brief spell. It was a wolf. A wolf as big as a horse. The flaps settled back, casting it and her back into darkness.

The wolf settled back on its haunches and stayed there, barring her only way out as the sounds of battle outside grew louder. The faint glare of moonlight on snow just barely illuminated the great beast’s outline. The top was a black shadow. The bottom glimmered white like icedust. She weighed the benefits of trying to cut and crawl under the curtain walls and flee. But having just the outline to see made it that much easier to know when a killer monster twitches in disapproval at what you’re thinking.

The beast sat there until the chaos outside died down. Just sat there. Quietly. Even when she went and stoked the firepit for lack of anything else to do in the cold. As she piled wood, it sat there. As her shivering hands struck knife on flint, it sat there. When the sparks crackled new flame to life, still it sat there. Stared at her. Its grey eyes seemed made of quicksilver that burned like cold stars as they reflected the sparks as if the glare didn’t bother it none.

Its pelt was strange, Marra thought as the flames took fully and gave her light to see by. Pitch black from head to spine. Snow white from tail to trunk. Split perfectly in half shoulder to haunch. The frost speckled amidst the white glimmered in the dancing light like a carpet of gemstones. The black had not a speck upon it at all.

The yurt fell apart around her just as she was finally gathering her clothes, torn down by men she’d never seen before. They looked victorious and lustful, then startled and respectful, bowing to the great beast before backing away and leaving them be.

It was snowing, Marra noticed distantly as she clothed and armed herself and wrapped her feet. Not for the first time she missed her boots, but they’d long since been bartered away for salt and honey. So had her dress and hair clasps and silver locket. There was nothing left to remind her of home. She watched as a large snowflake descended from the clouded sky of winter’s dusk. Landed on the wolf’s black snout. It vanished in a puff of steam between one moment and the next.

The wolf looked away from her suddenly, baring its fags up at the treeline. Turning to follow its gaze, Marra thought she spotted something up in the balsam’s branches. She thought she saw a pair of glowing eyes on a branch up high, as big as harvest moons.

The direwolf howled. The eyes vanished. Crows scattered and fled at the sound.

Eventually, the fight died down. Not because the attackers fled, but because the defenders fell or knelt where they stood, throwing down their crude weapons of wood and stone and bone.

Victorious cheers went up all around her.

The direwolf stood and turned, pausing to gaze at her meaningfully.

What else could she do but follow?

She was led to the far side of camp, past tribesmen she knew and many she didn’t. Men wearing furs and wielding long spears. Some wore bone and stone and scavenged ringmail. Some walked barefoot in the freezing winter, their soles turned hard and black. A least two different tribes by their looks, and the way they clustered and carried themselves.

Her count went up to three when she saw the rest. The ones all the others deferred to. Tall and mighty and clad in bronze. Bronze helms, bronze axes, short stabbing spears with leaf-shaped heads, bronze swords, leather shirts sewn with bronze discs and scales, and shields of black boiled leather with bronze rims and bosses.

The wolf led her past them too, straight through a circle of men that parted ahead of them. Marra found herself in front of what used to be her late raper’s throne at the center of their winter settlement, carved from a beech stump as wide as a bear, with sconces on both sides, both filled with burning fires.

There was a wholly different man sitting on it now.

“So this is it, then?” His accent was thick, but he spoke in the common tongue.

His voice was not unpleasant, Marra decided.

The man stood from his conquered throne. He was tall and lean, garbed in bronze scale armor, bronze greaves, a bronze helm, and a weirwood spear with an ornate bronze head. There was a bronze-banded warhorn hanging off his belt. His eyes were grey, perhaps. She couldn’t tell in that light. His hair and beard, though, those she could see well. Long, rugged and almost passably groomed, colored like clearest honey.

“I’ve come to lead a most puzzling life this past year, I’ll grant that.” The man said as he approached. “But a clan war for this is passing strange, even for me.” His words changed to Old Tongue then. “Any insight for me this time, Haggon?”

“No more than every other time, magnar,” a tall, grim man replied. His voice was almost as rough as his hard hands. They were bunched in the fur of a much smaller wolf, grey and quiet. “Godbeasts keep their own counsel, now as they ever did.”

“Of course they do,” the Magnar of Thenn snorted, throwing the direwolf a look of wry vexation. He turned, though, to address someone else. The banished man, Marra realized on noticing him. “Do you have any insight, exile? Speak plainly, now. I will be very displeased if it turns out to be something I should have known before.”

“She’s the Umber’s granddaughter.”

Marra waited to see if her heart would stop and skip. It didn’t. She’d not had a dream to warn her to be meek and long-suffering about this.

The Magnar of Thenn turned much more interested eyes on her. “Is she really?” The man approached and grabbed her by the chin.

She stabbed him in the hand.

Tried, at least. He moved faster than her, grabbed her by the wrist and turned her around, clutching her to his chest from behind. One armed. Leaned down to speak right in her ear. “A middling try. Sloppy, but middling.”

Marra bristled. “Try to steal me and I’ll rip your cock off.”

“I take no man’s leavings.” The utter arse, how dare he!? “But you’ll be my guest all the same. We have much to talk about, my lady. You, the Godswolf and I. Much to talk about indeed.”

It wasn’t the time or place to be reminded of that lesson, but Marra was reminded of it all the same.

If fear didn’t work, other things could go and make her heart go stop and skip just fine.

“-. END BOOK I .-“​
 

ATP

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Not unless they have some obscure claim to land south of the wall despite living all the way up next to the Land of Always Winter.

Or become so useful for North,then Starks would procure such claims for them.
In 17th century Poland have elite calvary unit named "Lisowczycy" ,where all useful common soldier was made gentry at the end of their service.
How? we have law,that if 2 gentry said that some dude is gentry,too,he was considered as one,unless somebody wonted dueal with those 2.
And since average polish gentry fear duel with gentry from those unit,nobody said anything.

Here,Starks could do something like that officially.
 

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