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Of course Pullman and people like him hate The Lord of the Rings. It shows us beauty they cant understand and this enrages them. But what's more: it also shows us the devil, and he looks like them.
In anycase, Pullman's rants and bias against both Tolkien, but especially Lewis are well known. (He's called the Anti-Lewis for a reason) The man has been complaining about Lewis as a far back as 1998 and still shows no signs of slowing down, although Tolkien is also a target, abet getting less complaints.

I have no respect for Pullman, as his only claim to fame is a literal spite series of the TCON and constant criticism against literary giants who can offer no rebuttal to his outrageous claims.

I admit that all works have flaws to point out, and nobody is above criticism, but somebody tell Pullman to shove it and cast the first stone upon himself, the living, as opposed to the dead.

In all regards I think another reason he despises Lewis is that he became a Christian after being an atheist which makes him a betrayer to the glorious cause of 'enlightenment.'
 
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ATP

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Pullman...is it dude who in one of his book killed God using one of his characters?
Idiot.God either could not be permanently killed,or he is not God at all.
 

Skallagrim

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That's the joke, for Pullman, 'God' is just the demiurge, because he is a Neoplatonist, or at least writing His Dark Materials as one.
It's abundantly clear that the "anti-theist" crowd is really just the old bundle of gnostic heresies, dressed up in yet another new cloak. At the end of the day, these are all masks for some branch of satanism. ("No, no, God is evil and his enemy is the true saviour who will bring you Reason!") It doesn't even hid it. It literally advertises itself with "Yo, guys, the devil is actually the good guy, you know?"

How does that even make sense? The sheer fucking incompetence of it. Claiming "God isn't real" and then, without pause, going on with "...but Satan is actually cool and stuff". Is their atheism so hollow that they can't even keep up the façade? (Yes, of course it is, because, again: it's not about not believing in God. It's about hating God. Which is, again, pure satanism. And makes no sense at all for someone who truly believes God isn't real.)

To stay on topic, this whole line of discussion remids me of Tolkien's plans to write a sequel to LotR:

"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."

(Emphasis mine.)

But really, imagine that. Tolkien thought even writing about it wasn't worth doing. Imagine actually subscribing to such ideas. Being that sad would surely make one hate Tolkien!
 

ATP

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It's abundantly clear that the "anti-theist" crowd is really just the old bundle of gnostic heresies, dressed up in yet another new cloak. At the end of the day, these are all masks for some branch of satanism. ("No, no, God is evil and his enemy is the true saviour who will bring you Reason!") It doesn't even hid it. It literally advertises itself with "Yo, guys, the devil is actually the good guy, you know?"

How does that even make sense? The sheer fucking incompetence of it. Claiming "God isn't real" and then, without pause, going on with "...but Satan is actually cool and stuff". Is their atheism so hollow that they can't even keep up the façade? (Yes, of course it is, because, again: it's not about not believing in God. It's about hating God. Which is, again, pure satanism. And makes no sense at all for someone who truly believes God isn't real.)

To stay on topic, this whole line of discussion remids me of Tolkien's plans to write a sequel to LotR:

"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."

(Emphasis mine.)

But really, imagine that. Tolkien thought even writing about it wasn't worth doing. Imagine actually subscribing to such ideas. Being that sad would surely make one hate Tolkien!

Soviets made many anti-God organizations,when oficially they statet that God do not exist.
There was good soviet joke about that:

To soviet atheist organization come new member,sit and listened how everybody was cursing God.Finally,they asked him why he is not cursing God,too-
and he answered: "becouse i do not belive in God."

Even now in Poland we have dude named johny Hartman,who is leading polish atheist - and belong to jewish masonry B'nai B'ritch where every member MUST belive in Jahwe.
 

Captain X

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To soviet atheist organization come new member,sit and listened how everybody was cursing God.Finally,they asked him why he is not cursing God,too-
and he answered: "becouse i do not belive in God."
Pretty much my viewpoint. I don't really have anything against God because I don't think he's any more real than Zeus is, and view him in the same light. I don't even have a problem persay with his fan club, it's just that certain parts of it can be real assholes, and those are the people I have a problem with.

Incidentally I view myself as agnostic, though sometimes I wonder if apathetic might not be a better label. ;)
 

ATP

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Pretty much my viewpoint. I don't really have anything against God because I don't think he's any more real than Zeus is, and view him in the same light. I don't even have a problem persay with his fan club, it's just that certain parts of it can be real assholes, and those are the people I have a problem with.

Incidentally I view myself as agnostic, though sometimes I wonder if apathetic might not be a better label. ;)

Well,there are old religions for atheists,too - buddhism and confucianism,for example.
 

DocSolarisReich

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Well,there are old religions for atheists,too - buddhism and confucianism,for example.

I would argue that those are examples of pantheism rather than atheism proper. I can get along with orthodox and traditional examples of each (but not memie Yank poseurs.)

Real Buddhists are based AF.
 

ATP

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I would argue that those are examples of pantheism rather than atheism proper. I can get along with orthodox and traditional examples of each (but not memie Yank poseurs.)

Real Buddhists are based AF.

Well,creators probably tried to made atheist system,but what they get after few centuries was another religion.
In my opinion,it is proof that 90% or more of human population simply need religion,so nobody could eradicate it,only change for other.
 

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Amazon's new Lord of the Rings series first season reportedly costs $465 million dollars to make. By comparison, a single season of Game of Thrones cost about $100 million per season and the combined production budget of the original Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings trilogy was a combined $280 million dollars. The budget will likely blossom even more with marketing costs, rights negotiations and other financial errata independent of the production budget itself. If this series does become a success, it's almost guaranteed this'll become the most expensive television series ever and potentially surpass a billion dollars by its second season.

 

Val the Moofia Boss

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Amazon's new Lord of the Rings series first season reportedly costs $465 million dollars to make.

Holy crap. That's twice the budget of Avatar, and that movie developed the technology and techniques for modern CGI blockbusters today.

It sounds like it's doomed to wind up like Netflix's Marco Polo: company wants their own "game of thrones", dumps hundreds of millions on it, but the actual show is bad (well, Marco Polo's costumes and sets and lighting was gorgeous, but the rest was bad) and so people don't watch it and it flops. Then again, Amazon has the LotR brand name recognition going for it, and considering how people continue to get suckered into watching awful franchise entries like Star Trek or Star Wars despite it being clear nothing good is going to come out, I'm guessing the same might happen here.
 

DarthOne

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As if we needed more proof that Amazon's LOTR series is going to be a disaster filled with diversity hires...

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