Versus Match The ultimate tank battle!

[Zachowon]

For this we have multiple tanks used by various countries on the table.
China brings its Type 99A MBT.
Russia brings its T14 Armata
Germany brings the Leopard 2A7+
France brings its LeClerc
England brings the Challenger 2
USA brings the M1A2D Abrams
SKorea brings the K2 Black Panther
Nkorea brings its newest tank the comepeltly unknown T14 armata look alike
Japan brings the Type 10
Isreal brings the Merkaba Mk 4
India brings the Arjun
Iran brings the Karrar

Takes place on the Frontline map from armored warfare.
They all start on the edges if the map, each nation is in it for themselves.

Who wins?

 

[ATP]

For this we have multiple tanks used by various countries on the table.
China brings its Type 99A MBT.
Russia brings its T14 Armata
Germany brings the Leopard 2A7+
France brings its LeClerc
England brings the Challenger 2
USA brings the M1A2D Abrams
SKorea brings the K2 Black Panther
Nkorea brings its newest tank the comepeltly unknown T14 armata look alike
Japan brings the Type 10
Isreal brings the Merkaba Mk 4
India brings the Arjun
Iran brings the Karrar

Takes place on the Frontline map from armored warfare.
They all start on the edges if the map, each nation is in it for themselves.

Who wins?

Not Iran,China or NK.Other then that - country who let other kill others and keep its last battalion to the end.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah best to eliminate the chaff right off the bat and then delve into the minutiae if all crews are equally (in)competent.

 

[Zachowon]

Yeah best to eliminate the chaff right off the bat and then delve into the minutiae if all crews arevewually (in)competent.

What donyoy meam

 

[Husky_Khan]

What donyoy meam

Some of these tanks are probably so crap comparatively they can be written off right away.

 

[Zachowon]

Some of these tanks are probably so crap comparatively they can be written off right away.

Maybe, maybe.
Which ones do you think are

 

[Spartan303]

Pretty sure its the M1 or the British Challenger. I mean there is a reason those two tanks repeatedly switch between 1 and 2 spots.

 

[Zachowon]

Pretty sure its the M1 or the British Challenger. I mean there is a reason those two tanks repeatedly switch between 1 and 2 spots.

Why do people always put the Leopard 2A7 as the top dog if the M1 and Challanger are the top 2?
And why are the brits getting rid of the Challenger 2? Or well, getting rid of them

 

[DocSolarisReich]

We don’t really know enough about the t14 to judge its chances against the latest generation of Western style MBTs. The focus on crew survivability seems like a good idea, but do the active and reactive defenses actually work as advertised?

 

[ATP]

We don’t really know enough about the t14 to judge its chances against the latest generation of Western style MBTs. The focus on crew survivability seems like a good idea, but do the active and reactive defenses actually work as advertised?

That.And chasis is borrowed from artillery system,which means,that it could not be as good as made for dedicated tank.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

That.And chasis is borrowed from artillery system,which means,that it could not be as good as made for dedicated tank.

Maybe, but making the turret fully unmanned means they can concentrate their armour on the self contained crew pod. Time will tell.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

From what we've seen, the T14 Armata is extremely unreliable. The Russians were extremely humiliated when they tried to show the first test batch vehicles off at the Moscow Victory Parade in 2015. There was much ooohing and aaaahing until one broke down just driving in a straight line.

More generally, the Armata continues to be a tank on paper. It's gone from "full production run complete by 2020" to "test batch of 100 by 2020" to "32 test vehicles by 2021", to "production will begin in early 2020", to "production has started mid-2020 and deliveries will begin in 2021" to, "first deliveries expected in 2022".

 

[ATP]

From what we've seen, the T14 Armata is extremely unreliable. The Russians were extremely humiliated when they tried to show the first test batch vehicles off at the Moscow Victory Parade in 2015. There was much ooohing and aaaahing until one broke down just driving in a straight line.

More generally, the Armata continues to be a tank on paper. It's gone from "full production run complete by 2020" to "test batch of 100 by 2020" to "32 test vehicles by 2021", to "production will begin in early 2020", to "production has started mid-2020 and deliveries will begin in 2021" to, "first deliveries expected in 2022".

They have in 1991 some nice prototypes with 152mm gun.Why they do not use them,instead of making something from artillery system? even if part of factories are on Ukraine,they still have many in Russia.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

They have in 1991 some nice prototypes with 152mm gun.Why they do not use them,instead of making something from artillery system? even if part of factories are on Ukraine,they still have many in Russia.

The 1991 prototype was the Black Eagle, which was cancelled due to a combination of high cost and the extremely poor reliability of the T-80 during the First Chechen-Russian War (which led to the Russians declaring they would never try a turbine engine tank again). The one Black Eagle seen was later revealed to have only been a mock-up, consisting of a non-functional empty turret on a stretched T-80 hull.

 

[DocSolarisReich]

They have in 1991 some nice prototypes with 152mm gun.Why they do not use them,instead of making something from artillery system? even if part of factories are on Ukraine,they still have many in Russia.

Armata is supposedly getting a TD/Assault Gun variant with the 152.

Tank Killer: New Armata Gets Really Big Gun

Russia's state-of-the-art 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV self-propelled gun can be mounted on the chassis of the country's Armata combat platform, according to media reports.

sputniknews.com

 

[gral]

Armata is supposedly getting a TD/Assault Gun variant with the 152.

Tank Killer: New Armata Gets Really Big Gun

Russia's state-of-the-art 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV self-propelled gun can be mounted on the chassis of the country's Armata combat platform, according to media reports.

sputniknews.com

No, what they mean in that article is the Armata chassis can mount the Koalitsiya-SV turret, replacing the current chassis in use(which is a T-90 modification with T-80 components, IIRC).

 

[DocSolarisReich]

Yes, but they go on to describe that combination of turret and hull as a ‘tank killer’, which suggests an intended TD role. The line between TD and SPG is blurry.

 

[Zachowon]

One is artillery. The other is for taking put tanks

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Yes, but they go on to describe that combination of turret and hull as a ‘tank killer’, which suggests an intended TD role. The line between TD and SPG is blurry.

Hyperbole at best, given that artillery isn't all that effective against modern tanks.

Also, note that this isn't actually a new variant. The 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV self propelled artillery piece was always supposed to be mounted on the Armata chassis; the ones seen in the 2015 Victory Day parade were however mounted on a T-90 derived chassis because the Armata chassis was not ready yet. So this is not a matter of upgrading the Armata into a hybrid design with the Koalitsiya's turret; it's giving the Koalitsiya the originally planned chassis.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Maybe, maybe.
Which ones do you think are

Who knows what the North Korean tanks quality is worth but I'd guess it's somewhat dubious.
India is already choosing the T-90MS over the Arjun which itself seems like it never really got off the ground even if it was in the comparable ballpark as the T-90 in trials.
I feel like the Karrar is similar... it might be similar to the T-90 in some respects but is ultimately based off a T-72 and whatever they cribbed from Abrams, M48's and Centurions and other older tanks.

So that's three off the bat right there.