Which Gaza War specifically are you talking about here? And Yes, I do suspect that Israelis are going to prefer to become pariahs like Russia or South Africa were than to give up on their dreams. Or at least right-wing Israelis.
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Which Gaza War specifically are you talking about here? And Yes, I do suspect that Israelis are going to prefer to become pariahs like Russia or South Africa were than to give up on their dreams. Or at least right-wing Israelis.
Or ethnic cleansing. That said, though, annexing only the West Bank will make Israel around 40% Arab, which isn't a majority but is still too close for comfort. No one in Israel wants to annex Gaza any longer. Not worth it.
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So turns out the suicide bomber who killed our troops during the pull out could have been stopped by a sniper, but the sniper was denied permission to fire, and ended up losing his left leg and right arm to the blast.
Our troops didn't have to die that day, nor did those civies, and who ever denied permission to fire on the suicide bomber need to be court martialled publicly.
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Wargamer08
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Typical. At this point, it's exactly what I expected. A failure on all levels of the chain of command.
People look at this kind of behavior and think the very same leadership can prosecute a war against Russia of China?
Lord Sovereign
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Well that and both China and Russia are land powers and this would be a naval conflict...
Definitely not with State Department, battle lawyers or whoever deciding whether snipers are to take a shot or not, or having to OK each artillery fire mission. Those absolutely need to be out, especially in a conventional war. No sane country fights this way. A military can either focus on PR or fighting, with full knowledge that the other category will suffer.
To add it is easier to build Antiship Missiles and Mines than it is to build ships. And you can saturation strike the entire CCP invasion force with the combined might of the Japanese, Taiwanese and US Navy.
King Arts
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Bacle you are being too harsh on the soldiers. Yes the officer made a bad call. But you were not there you don’t know what was going through that man’s head or why he thought the order to not shoot was good. Because here is the thing many of our soldiers are in lose lose situations. In this case he chose to not kill and he gets punished, but what about a few days later with the drone strike that killed an air worker with a few kids. That other officer made a more aggressive choice and people back here in the states safe like you condemn it.
Wargamer08
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And none of that matters if the people at the top refuse to give the order to fire and the people at the bottom obey until it's too late. Wars are fought by men, not missiles. And evidently, some changes need to happen.
The guy said he was told they had not arrested the suicide bomber 'in order to protect an asset'.
So whatever asset the sniper was told about was deemed more valuable than the lives of the US military personnel and civies gathered near the gate.
It's worse than this.
Military Could Have Stopped Afghanistan Bomber Who Killed 13 Americans, Service Member Testifies
U.S. military snipers stationed at the Afghanistan airport in 2021 prior to a deadly terror attack that killed 13 Americans had an opportunity to kill the suspected bomber but were not given authority from military leaders, according to one of the American service members on the ground that day.
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As i said, typical GWOT problem - highest parts of chain of command micromanaging troops to try avoid PR messes at any cost.
Battalion commander couldn't make the call, guess he needed someone higher up to ok it, just for a sniper to take a shot...
That's the result.
Um sea mines are not fire control linked. And many of them are already on the Seabed near Taiwan.
Basically the result if the US opening fire even with one bullet could lead to a firefight.
The Commander probably had orders and he had to figure out if he could okay it.
He didn't know because if he made the call, and he be wrong ir a firefight leads to more? That is what he was thinking.
He also probably needed clearance from higher to make such a call.
It is stupid I know but thays COIN for ya.
LSCO is diffrent and we know this
The Commander probably had orders and he had to figure out if he could okay it.
He didn't know because if he made the call, and he be wrong ir a firefight leads to more? That is what he was thinking.
He also probably needed clearance from higher to make such a call.
It is stupid I know but thays COIN for ya.
LSCO is diffrent and we know this
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I think it has something to do with all of the stupid shit the USA pulled in Vietnam a few decades earlier, coupled with the fact that the Afghans have a clannish, vendetta and honor-driven culture that means that you will get the whoever you have killed's ten cousins/brothers/other relatives pissed at you and eager to try out their new AKs.
Sounds like somebody forgot to inform everyone involved that this was basically a frigging evacuation under fire.It's worse than this.
Military Could Have Stopped Afghanistan Bomber Who Killed 13 Americans, Service Member Testifies
U.S. military snipers stationed at the Afghanistan airport in 2021 prior to a deadly terror attack that killed 13 Americans had an opportunity to kill the suspected bomber but were not given authority from military leaders, according to one of the American service members on the ground that day.
As i said, typical GWOT problem - highest parts of chain of command micromanaging troops to try avoid PR messes at any cost.
Battalion commander couldn't make the call, guess he needed someone higher up to ok it, just for a sniper to take a shot...
That's the result.
Which means that the rules of engagement change from pussyfooting around to kill anything thet looks at the LZ funny.
...You're kidding, right?
King Arts
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What specefically? That we should not be too harsh on the the officer that was on the ground, because as Zach said the officer would have been fucked either way. It's a problem with those who set up the ROE and they will never face a punishment for that, because it would be practically impossible in any democracy.