Stargate Through the Looking Glass and into Heaven.

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Actually thinking about it having the SGC build a few ships akin a slightly larger Leopard class dropship equivalent(albeit one with the ability to rapid reconfigure its bays)wouldn't be a bad idea at all assuming they had a few Alkesh hyperdrives from ships too damaged to be repaired and some cloaking devices from a few Tel'taks in a similar condition. If nothing else the ability to hot drop a platoon of armor and a platoon of mechanized infantry(ie 8 bays worth of stuff as compared to normal Leopards 6) without the enemy knowing their coming would be exceedingly useful as would their ability to run a decent amount of cargo around the Milky Way without anyone else knowing about it. Honestly given the SGC and Area 51 are both full of nerds I could totally see some of them being Battletech fans and coming up with the idea

I may play around with that, mind ye the Goa'uld are a bit more sophisticated and organized here. So cloaked troop drops probably wouldn't go as smoothly as it would in canon.

This is a good idea though and they're eventually going to have to give themselves some kind of means of at least forcing the System Lords to deal with them on even footing.

Yeah, I like this.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
I may play around with that, mind ye the Goa'uld are a bit more sophisticated and organized here. So cloaked troop drops probably wouldn't go as smoothly as it would in canon.

This is a good idea though and they're eventually going to have to give themselves some kind of means of at least forcing the System Lords to deal with them on even footing.

Yeah, I like this.
The idea isn't to be completely invisible as in regular stargate it's to use the concept of stealth as the USAF uses it ie the enemy can see but by the time they do it's too late. And sure you're not using them on major worlds of the System Lords but oh boy is there a long list of minor worlds that probably don't have the needed sensors which Mr. Indeed would know about a fair few of them and where they are.
And you can also use these ships to supply the various off world sites with equipment that's not easy to put back together piecemeal with local facilities after being sent through the gate and due to their cloaking devices they shouldn't give the locations of said worlds away at all. Later on you could probably have the Asgard tow a couple of them to Atlantis for use in the Pegasus Galaxy albeit after having upgraded them considerably or as the first two of a new variant taking advantage of better tech being available(speaking of season 1 of Atlantis it might be a good idea to ask the Asgard to check in on them after a couple weeks and drop of some supplies and said ships so they aren't completely off the gird and without any support,)

It's also a good way to figure out how to build a hyperspace capable vessel without trying to use a ship that has a engine way too small for its size like the Prometheus.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
As for what you'd arm it with hmmmm. Probably a mixture of some VLS missile cells on the edges of the hull(so something based off the MK 57 VLS) numbering say 16 all usually loaded with modified evolved Sea Sparrows since you can cram 5 of those into a MK57, 4 laser based point defense mounts and 4 CIWS mounts that are equivalent to this bad girl Pantsir-M - Wikipedia and a pair of railguns and a pair of medium scale staff canons modified for greater accuracy
 

DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
As for what you'd arm it with hmmmm. Probably a mixture of some VLS missile cells on the edges of the hull(so something based off the MK 57 VLS) numbering say 16 all usually loaded with modified evolved Sea Sparrows since you can cram 5 of those into a MK57, 4 laser based point defense mounts and 4 CIWS mounts that are equivalent to this bad girl Pantsir-M - Wikipedia and a pair of railguns and a pair of medium scale staff canons modified for greater accuracy

So...
16 x iTB-15 with a ton of ammo each and Artemis-IV FC
4 x L-AMS
4 x AMS
2 x GR
2 x PPC

I guess if we not carting around a Steiner scout lance we have room for an assault-boat refit.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
So...
16 x iTB-15 with a ton of ammo each and Artemis-IV FC
4 x L-AMS
4 x AMS
2 x GR
2 x PPC

I guess if we not carting around a Steiner scout lance we have room for an assault-boat refit.
It's an upscaled Leopard with 8 rapidly reconfigurable bays instead of 4 for mech and 2 for ASFs of a Leopard and a pair of small dedicated cargo holds as well. Oh and due note that the point defense it equally lethal against stargate fighters as it is missiles. But yeah I imagine escort variant that ditches the bays and maybe the cloaking in exchange for triple the missiles and double the railguns and staff Cannons and more powerful shields and say 50% more point defence would be a viable design. Maybe add the equivalent of say 4 sub capital missile tubes(ie smaller variants of what the Daedalus and Prometheus use but with ideally a few reolads) if you're only doubling the regular missiles
 
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Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Also it occurs to me that other than possibly mounting the staff canons on the wingtips the big wings of something based off the Leopard have all sorts of fun ordnance in considerable quantity you could hang off the bottom of with the shields keeping them nice and safe from various environmental effects and hostile fire in addition to the default armament
 

DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
Also it occurs to me that other than possibly mounting the staff canons on the wingtips the big wings of something based off the Leopard have all sorts of fun ordnance in considerable quantity you could hang off the bottom of with the shields keeping them nice and safe from various environmental effects and hostile fire in addition to the default armament

It's not very well known, at least, I didn't know about it, but there are actually official BT tabletop rules for external drop ordinance hardpoints. Although meant for AeroSpace and AirBreathers, for narrative-game purposes I think it would be reasonable to scale up by a power of ten and say "For every fifty tons of external ordnance carried, reduce the DropShip's Safe Thrust value by 1." But if shields work against atmo-drag, then you could potentially go hog wild.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Amusingly enough, the Prometheus will make its appearance in season 2, because project Giza was just one element of a masterplan by Reagan to get the whole solar system ready for what he felt was an imminent threat to the solar system.

How well it does against The Mesektet class, or the Ha'tak's though.

This is giving me some ideas for serpent song though.
 

DocSolarisReich

Esoteric Spaceman
Amusingly enough, the Prometheus will make its appearance in season 2, because project Giza was just one element of a masterplan by Reagan to get the whole solar system ready for what he felt was an imminent threat to the solar system.

How well it does against The Mesektet class, or the Ha'tak's though.

This is giving me some ideas for serpent song though.

Oh, Star Wars was for real, ROFL! Do we get bomb-pumped x-ray lasers? He asked with puppy dog eyes...
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
It's not very well known, at least, I didn't know about it, but there are actually official BT tabletop rules for external drop ordinance hardpoints. Although meant for AeroSpace and AirBreathers, for narrative-game purposes I think it would be reasonable to scale up by a power of ten and say "For every fifty tons of external ordnance carried, reduce the DropShip's Safe Thrust value by 1." But if shields work against atmo-drag, then you could potentially go hog wild.
Plus its only inspired by a Battletech design and therefore not limited to the rules especially with Stargate super materials and engines involved so you could probably haul around the weight of a fully loaded B-52 as external ordnance if need be. Let the Goa'uld and Jaffa fear the words Arc-Light
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
Oh, Star Wars was for real, ROFL! Do we get bomb-pumped x-ray lasers? He asked with puppy dog eyes...

It was, the Space Force was also created by Reagan in this timeline and then ignored by Bush and Obama and used as a sort of retirement slash shunt for unqualified people and then Trump had them get serious after Project Giza struck paydirt.

The Prometheus will probably have a project Excalibur type rig as its point defense system. She'll also be the Battleship to the Apollo's carrier.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
And the Daedalus will be the second generation design that properly incorporates all the new shiny tech.

Also it occurs to me that the US military in this story has two decades of learning how to fight insurgents and guerillas and gets to apply said lessons from the other side of the field for once. Those poor poor Jaffa don't deserve this
 
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The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
And the Daedalus will be the second generation design that properly incorporates all the new shiny tech.

Also it occurs to me that the US military in this story has two decades of learning how to fight insurgents and guerillas and gets to apply said lessons from the other side of the field for once. Those poor poor Jaffa don't deserve this

The Jaffa are also a good deal superior physically and technologically. But that goes to the issue they have.

With the exception of the Titans rebellion a century and a half ago, the Jaffa haven't fought a major war in 30,000 years. So they're mostly space cops and peace keepers now. Teal'cs generation is the first one to fight in a war and that was relatively small scale. Probably less than 5 million Jaffa fought in that conflict.

Whereas the USSF is drawing on a generation of combat experience as you noted.

I guess Rambo in space?

Jaffa be out there eating pies on porches while the Tau'Ri got lean and mean.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
The Jaffa are also a good deal superior physically and technologically. But that goes to the issue they have.

With the exception of the Titans rebellion a century and a half ago, the Jaffa haven't fought a major war in 30,000 years. So they're mostly space cops and peace keepers now. Teal'cs generation is the first one to fight in a war and that was relatively small scale. Probably less than 5 million Jaffa fought in that conflict.

Whereas the USSF is drawing on a generation of combat experience as you noted.

I guess Rambo in space?

Jaffa be out there eating pies on porches while the Tau'Ri got lean and mean.
And the sheer size of Goa'uld Empire and its restricted flow of information will greatly hamper the ability of Jaffa on say a random minor planet to be able to adapt to the situation
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
And the sheer size of Goa'uld Empire and its restricted flow of information will greatly hamper the ability of Jaffa on say a random minor planet to be able to adapt to the situation

There's a lot that's gonna screw things up for the System Lords in dealing with the SGC, on the other hand once its figured out why Ra died there'll be enough mitigating circumstances for some System Lords to be okay with establishing diplomatic ties with Earth. Albeit more in the cold war sense, the way the US and the USSR used third world shitholes in proxy wars and the like.

So they won't always be seen as Space Al Queda but at the same time for most of their early adventures it'll be random outposts of Good ol'Boy Jaffa being ambushed by terrorists and the stories snowballing due to the effects of Tall Tale syndrome 300767289228263424.png
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
There's a lot that's gonna screw things up for the System Lords in dealing with the SGC, on the other hand once its figured out why Ra died there'll be enough mitigating circumstances for some System Lords to be okay with establishing diplomatic ties with Earth. Albeit more in the cold war sense, the way the US and the USSR used third world shitholes in proxy wars and the like.

So they won't always be seen as Space Al Queda but at the same time for most of their early adventures it'll be random outposts of Good ol'Boy Jaffa being ambushed by terrorists and the stories snowballing due to the effects of Tall Tale syndrome View attachment 649
It also probably doesn't really help those poor Jaffa that the SGC will probably be deploying in at least Platoon sized strength when the possibility of hostile forces is present.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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Hetman
It also probably doesn't really help those poor Jaffa that the SGC will probably be deploying in at least Platoon sized strength when the possibility of hostile forces is present.

"It all started when Ka'tet was posted to Minerva, I knew it was a bad assingment. The locals had just entered their age of sail so you know the cities were filth ridden. The stench was always awful, Horus forgive me but I wished to consult my wife on how to build them a proper industrial water system solely to have a reprieve from the odor! When suddenly, we received word from one of the rural towns that the dreaded Tau'Ri had come!"

Yeah I can see it, Jaffa tasked with minor policing actions wouldn't be as equipped as Apophis front line soldiers and it would be hellacious to handle a properly prepped SG team after Teal'c gets done training their guys in what to expect from Jaffa and their learned experience in the ME.

So the Prometheus or rather, the USSF Constellation would basically be this.

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Loki's ships but patched up and modified.

Probably not gonna last very long zaru.png

The Apollo like this

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Except the wings would all be hangar bays, with there being 10 fighters piloted by the "air force" branch of the Space Force, and about two dozen drones.

Your first generation and your junkyard mod.

The Liberty and the Henry would probably be more dedicated battleships with the Daedalus being a Gerald Ford Class in space.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Meanwhile captured Goa'uld cargo ships and Alkesh will do most of the interstellar logistics of Earth at least in the Milky way along with the ships of the hmmm lets call it the Lion class when the they're available so most of the big ships of the fleet be they Earth built or otherwise can remain on station as the home fleet or be committed to vital operations and not cargo hauling
 

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