Trump Post Election News.

[Sailor.X]

Yes, the "split the ticket and hand things over to the dems" tactic, that will definitely make the GOP respext you and they totally won't regard the Trump faction as a bunch of traitorous cultists.

Oh, wait, this is only the plan if they somehow screw Trump, obviously if he loses the nomination fair and square he'll admit that and rally behind the winner, because he has such a long track record of respecting defeats and being a team player.




So why did he boost Vance, Oz, and Walker?

Oh I think I have not made myself clear on my position. I AM NOT NORE HAVE I EVER BEEN A REPUBLICAN!. The GOP establishment is just as bad as the Democrats. Just as bad. Both parties promise a lot and do nothing but enrich themselves. Trump was the only one that gave a damn about the common man. That is why so many people support him. If the destruction of the GOP can lead to another party that rises to fight for the average American citizen then let the fall of the GOP come. However if the GOP establishment backs down and tries to help Trump fix the US. Then they will get our vote. Like I said earlier in this thread. GOP you have been warned. And this is your last and only warning. Get with the program or go extinct on the National level.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Anthony Fauci provably lied to Congress on numerous occasions. That's illegal; but as far as I'm aware, not once has any Republican made a move to try and bring charges against him. That's just one example of the Republicans utterly failing to oppose the Democrats in any meaningful way; of which there are countless more.

By the time this became clear, Biden was in charge of the DOJ and the dems held congress, the Republicans had no ability to hold Fauci accountable and any attempt would have met reflexive partisan opposition from the dems and gone nowhere.

I'm not getting into an "appeal to authority" fight with you.

This isn't an appeal to authority fight, this is a "prove that this is a position held by someone, anyone respectable and not just conspiracy obsessed cranks".

Ones a former never-trumper, Ones a grifter and the third while having a face for TV has no business being in a leadership role whatsoever. it probably wouldin't take much for these guys to be made into RINOs

Yes, Mitch "put a SC majority in place to kill Roe" Mcconnell is a limp wristed RINO, trying to recruit more members. Right. That's a plausible argument.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

I repeat my statement: accelerate, collapse this sham of a system already.

No.

Please don't do that.

You might find what comes after even less to your liking.

 

[Abhorsen]

Anthony Fauci provably lied to Congress on numerous occasions. That's illegal; but as far as I'm aware, not once has any Republican made a move to try and bring charges against him. That's just one example of the Republicans utterly failing to oppose the Democrats in any meaningful way; of which there are countless more.

They can't? That's a federal crime, and they don't control the Justice Department.

Vance was a never trumper once. He might still flip.

Oz is as mentioned before Oz. Potential RINO if it's worth it.

I can't find much on Walker except as a potential favor towards strengthening his own position as an obstructionist.

Yeah, it's more evidence that Trump is shit as picking people.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Yeah, it's more evidence that Trump is shit as picking people.

Yeah, he's never quite been the best at it, has he? In some respects I think him giving Jared Kushner the time of day heavily contributed to him losing his Presidency.

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah, he's never quite been the best at it, has he? In some respects I think him giving Jared Kushner the time of day heavily contributed to him losing his Presidency.

Kushner, say what you will about him, the Abraham Accords was a big win, and gave perhaps the only realistic path towards peace in the mideast.

 

[Sobek]

No.

Please don't do that.

You might find what comes after even less to your liking.

That's a risk I am willing to take at this point

 

[Lord Sovereign]

That's a risk I am willing to take at this point

No you're not.

You might think you are, but you're not. A society imploding, turning in on itself, is a horror no one should ever witness. It would be an era of warlords, blood, and tears.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

No you're not.

You might think you are, but you're not. A society imploding, turning in on itself, is a horror no one should ever witness. It would be an era of warlords, blood, and tears.

is it any different from plunging off the cliff at this point? Either I and my own die by starvation or die in a potential purge. It really just seems like the only difference is one might happen faster than the other. in any case, it's becoming clear that we won't be able to just "Vote our way out of this."

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

look whether it be trump or Desantis we need to pick one, stick to it and hold them to task, we need to be more involved in our culture and community beyond just "muh voting." because that "Vote our way out of this" mentality has worked so well for us up to this point, right?

 

[Rocinante]

look whether it be trump or Desantis we need to pick one, stick to it and hold them to task, we need to be more involved in our culture and community beyond just "muh voting." because that "Vote our way out of this mentality has worked so well for us up to this point right?

My pick is DeSantis and if he runs, I will vote for him in the Primaries. But I'll vote for either in the general. Well, I'd even vote an establishment republican over a Democrat right now.

Though my red line on Trump really is if he keeps up this execute drug dealers rhetoric. If it turns out that was just an offhand remark at a rally and he lets it go, I can let it go. If he turns it into a core campaign message, I absolutely will not vote for him.

I don't want to let them all run free, but I'm not going to support people who want to execute them. I'm even for giving them murder charges if they sell tainted drugs that kill people. Maybe execution then is even understandable.

That said, I have some really close friends who have spent the better part of a decade clean and sober. They are kind, caring people who love and care for their families. However, by Trump's proposed policy, they'd be dead right now.

I've been sober for almost 6 years. I've sold drugs in my past, and I was a scumbag. I'm now a conservative voting, tax paying member of society, with a productive job, who takes care of his elderly parents and friends whenever they're in need. Trump's policy would have me killed.

Absolutely not, no way I will support that.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

My pick is DeSantis and if he runs, I will vote for him in the Primaries. But I'll vote for either in the general. Well, I'd even vote an establishment republican over a Democrat right now.

Though my red line on Trump really is if he keeps up this execute drug dealers rhetoric. If it turns out that was just an offhand remark at a rally and he lets it go, I can let it go. If he turns it into a core campaign message, I absolutely will not vote for him.

I don't want to let them all run free, but I'm not going to support people who want to execute them. I'm even for giving them murder charges if they sell tainted drugs that kill people. Maybe execution then is even understandable.

That said, I have some really close friends who have spent the better part of a decade clean and sober. They are kind, caring people who love and care for their families. However, by Trump's proposed policy, they'd be dead right now.

I've been sober for almost 6 years. I've sold drugs in my past, and I was a scumbag. I'm not a conservative voting, tax paying member of society, with a productive job, who takes care of his elderly parents and friends whenever they're in need. Trump's policy would have me killed.

Absolutely not, no way I will support that.

and that's fair. Look I don't exactly trust DeSantis friends but I can also admit that trump has done said and done some things that are...offbase, but this infighting is going to get us nowhere. We need a beacon/leader to rally behind and we need to take up the responsibility of keeping him to the task.

I hate to admit it but we are at war, and our opposition has made it clear that they are willing to drive society off a cliff if it means their team winning. At some point, we have to fight back. As much as it pains me, if we want a fair fight we have to learn thier game and counter thier tactics. Unless we want things to devolve into physical war.

 

[Tiamat]

People here arguing for war, collapse of the government, implosion of society, etc. etc., need to stop, shut up, and look back and read historical examples of such scenarios as they've occurred through history. It's easy to argue for and fantasize about such things on an internet forum (not to mention it seems to seep into every other damn political thread). The reality tends to be different and far more horrific whether you like it or not.

And those advocating this regardless? I sincerely doubt you'll find much of the country interested in going along with you, or anyone sane for that matter. Unless you're sincere and intend to take matters into your own hands. Good luck with that.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

People here arguing for war, collapse of the government, implosion of society, etc. etc., need to stop, shut up, and look back and read historical examples of such scenarios as they've occurred through history. It's easy to argue for and fantasize about such things on an internet forum (not to mention it seems to seep into every other damn political thread). The reality tends to be different and far more horrific whether you like it or not.

And those advocating this regardless? I sincerely doubt you'll find much of the country interested in going along with you, or anyone sane for that matter. Unless you're sincere and intend to take matters into your own hands. Good luck with that.

I concede on that front but we've got to come up with a better strategy than "muh voting" as that's not working.

 

[Terthna]

By the time this became clear, Biden was in charge of the DOJ and the dems held congress, the Republicans had no ability to hold Fauci accountable and any attempt would have met reflexive partisan opposition from the dems and gone nowhere.

They can't? That's a federal crime, and they don't control the Justice Department.

None of them have even acknowledged the fact that what he did was illegal, and should be prosecuted. I get that it wouldn't get anywhere, but refusing to even talk about it is cowardly. Either that, or calculated. But you guys don't like that one? Okay; how about the Republicans' utter refusal to oppose the Democrats with the two years they had in the early half of Trump's presidency, when they controlled both the House, and the Senate? Trump had to drag them kicking and screaming to get them to do anything.

This isn't an appeal to authority fight, this is a "prove that this is a position held by someone, anyone respectable and not just conspiracy obsessed cranks".

Considering that I'm absolutely certain you see anyone who holds that position a "conspiracy obsessed crank", and would just use it as an opportunity to accuse them of being such; I don't see the point.

 

[DarthOne]

People here arguing for war, collapse of the government, implosion of society, etc. etc., need to stop, shut up, and look back and read historical examples of such scenarios as they've occurred through history. It's easy to argue for and fantasize about such things on an internet forum (not to mention it seems to seep into every other damn political thread). The reality tends to be different and far more horrific whether you like it or not.

And those advocating this regardless? I sincerely doubt you'll find much of the country interested in going along with you, or anyone sane for that matter. Unless you're sincere and intend to take matters into your own hands. Good luck with that.

If the choice is between ‘Chinese Warlord Era’ or ‘Mao’s Great Leap Forward’ they both suck. Unfortunately that’s increasingly where we seem to be headed.

 

[Tiamat]

I concede on that front but we've got to come up with a better strategy than "muh voting" as that's not working.

Fair enough. I can agree with that as well. I get the frustration, I do. Don't ask how I felt after the midterm results came in. 🤬

 

[Tiamat]

If the choice is between ‘Chinese Warlord Era’ or ‘Mao’s Great Leap Forward’ they both suck. Unfortunately that’s increasingly where we seem to be headed.

Respectfully, I think we have a lot farther to go before it even gets THAT bad. I like to think, or at least hope (yes, I know, hope is not a battle plan), we'll head either scenario off beforehand. It's a little early and far too pessimistic to say it's the fall of Roman civilization.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Fair enough. I can agree with that as well. I get the frustration, I do. Don't ask how I felt after the midterm results came in. 🤬

You're talking to someone who BSODed so bad after the clown show that was PA he considers himself at least monarchist-lite. I probably have an idea.

 

[Abhorsen]

None of them have even acknowledged the fact that what he did was illegal, and should be prosecuted.

Rand Paul did. He's been the major person going after Fauci. But yes, I do agree that the vast majority of Republicans do nothing their base want.

I concede on that front but we've got to come up with a better strategy than "muh voting" as that's not working.

Start doing actual get out the vote organizing, and even more important, community organizing. The job is more than show up once every two years. Scott Pressler is the only one on the republican side actually seeming to do this, and his extensive work in Florida and NY points out the value of it. It requires a ton of individuals just going around talking to people about issues they care about, and getting them to sign up to vote.