Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Bacle]

So read over the whole article last night, and I can tell the author was trying to couch things in acceptable military terms and views.

However, the author also tried to pretend that the military hasn't always been a political game piece and act like the US military is the lynchpin of global civilization, while at the same time acting like the US social and economic problem have nothing to do with the whole forever wars that the military dealt with, and wants to pretend people just forgot about Vietnam and it's issues as they relate to people trusting or wanting to enlist in the military.

The paper also recommends using engagement with Rotary Clubs and the like as a way to enhance recruitment numbers, while saying in polite language that the military may have to consider a draft of they do not shift or change recruiting and retention policies.

It however does acknowledge that a lot of the US military's recruiting issues also stem from larger social and political issues the military cannot fix, only adapt to deal with. It also seems to treat nations nationalism in the US as a 'problem' in the same way the globalists do.

It also seems to obliquely admit that the US military has been trying to have it's cake and eat it too, in terms of viewing itself as both a non-partisan backbone of American society while also the garuantor of the global world order Bretton Woods established.

However, nowhere does it admit/put forward the possibility that the US military has let it's own ego, pride, and futile attempts to remain supposedly apolitical, while generals and admirals make bank and retire to defense contractors, political pundit shows, or becoming politicians themselves, has lead people to view the US military as a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites who are increasingly detached from the populace they claim to serve, but seem to view mostly as a recruiting pool, not fellow Americans citizens who may have other goals in life besides being a pawn for corrupt powers in DC.

It feels very much like the author is able get what a lot of the problems are, but admitting them fully and in blunt language would require admitting there are systemic issues with the military and it's relationship to the current US populace/society that might ruffle the feathers of people in DC.

 

[bintananth]

He was anti-gold standard from what I read in "The Crash", I also know he was a pretty outspoken liberal, but unlike the post-WWII liberals he doesn't appear to have been nearly as fanatical.

If gold and silver and weren't "shiny" and "rare" the electrical wires in your home and car would be made of gold and/or silver instead of copper and/or aluminium.

 

[Agent23]

If gold and silver and weren't "shiny" and "rare" the electrical wires in your home and car would be made of gold and/or silver instead of copper and/or aluminium.

Silver is already used in, like, one fifth of all batteries and in things like solar panels and microwaves.

It is actually a very commonly used industrial metal, and a great bactericide.

 

[bintananth]

Silver is already used in, like, one fifth of all batteries and in things like solar panels and microwaves.

It is actually a very commonly used industrial metal, and a great bactericide.

Batteries aren't the miles of wiring needed for something like a traffic light.

 

[Agent23]

Batteries aren't the miles of wiring needed for something like a traffic light.

Well, there is a lot of demand and considerably less supply.

 

[bintananth]

Well, there is a lot of demand and considerably less supply.

Copper - which is the preferred metal for electrical wiring and a lot of other everyday things too you just don't see - was something our ancestors knew how to make and use long before they figured out how to write things down.

 

[Agent23]

Copper - which is the preferred metal for electrical wiring and a lot of other everyday things too you just don't see - was something our ancestors knew how to make and use long before they figured out how to write things down.

I think you'd need smelters and mining to get copper in any meaningful quantities, and that means agriculture and cities, but the first writing systems, kunieform(sp) was invated by the first Mesopotamian city-states for bookkeeping.
IMO agriculture, power centralization, writing and smelting are closely-linked and if one pops up you'd see the other appepar in short order.
TBH you need agriculture for cities, cities for bigger states, bookkeeping for cities, and more advanced tools for both more efficient production and also warfare.

But yeah, copper is very valuable to civilization and used as money until fairly recently.

But iron, cold iron, is master of men all.

 

[bintananth]

But iron, cold iron, is master of men all.

Our ancestors didn't start using iron for everyday stuff until they basically ran out of the tin and/or arsenic needed to make bronze.

EDIT: Iron and Aluminium are much more abundant than Copper. They're also an absolute bitch to extract from an ore and react with Oxygen on contact.

 

[Simonbob]

Our ancestors didn't start using iron for everyday stuff until they basically ran out of the tin and/or arsenic needed to make bronze.

EDIT: Iron and Aluminium are much more abundant than Copper. They're also an absolute bitch to extract from an ore and react with Oxygen on contact.

No, no that's not true.

Iron weapons are vastly better than bronze, and steel better still. There are a number of items, like bolts and nails, where improving metalergy is the only way to make them work.

Bronze is just not as strong as iron.

 

[bintananth]

No, no that's not true.

Iron weapons are vastly better than bronze, and steel better still. There are a number of items, like bolts and nails, where improving metalergy is the only way to make them work.

Bronze is just not as strong as iron.

It is true.

You can extract six of the seven metals known to antiquity by burning wood. You can not get molten iron or molten aluminium from a bonfire.

 

[Simonbob]

It is true.

You can extract six of the seven metals known to antiquity by burning wood. You can not get molten iron or molten aluminium from a bonfire.

You don't need molten to get iron or steel, although it's more efficant. You can get iron, and steel through beating out the impurities. Bronze is easier, so cheaper, but iron and steel were, and are, just better.

Aluminium was always later, much. But iron was something you could get from cold ore, just by beating it hard enough, long enough. Heat just made it easier.

 

[bintananth]

You don't need molten to get iron or steel, although it's more efficant. You can get iron, and steel through beating out the impurities. Bronze is easier, so cheaper, but iron and steel were, and are, just better.

Aluminium was always later, much. But iron was something you could get from cold ore, just by beating it hard enough, long enough. Heat just made it easier.

If I had my druthers I'd use nothing but copper (for heat transfer) and a stainless steel (for strength and corrosion resistance).

The fire supression system my youngest sister's lab has uses liquid helium and everything in it has been Fluorinated to hell and back.

Arthur can and has accidently set liquid Nitrogen on fire. Her idea of proper lab safety includes an escape route.

 

[Simonbob]

If I had my druthers I'd use nothing but copper (for heat transfer) and a stainless steel (for strength and corrosion resistance).

The fire supression system my youngest sister's lab has uses liquid helium and everything in it has been Fluorinated to hell and back.

Arthur can and has accidently set liquid Nitrogen on fire. Her idea of proper lab safety includes an escape route.

That's ..... nice?

Is that you conceding the argument?


Although, I do like the idea of your sister, Arthur. From a safe distance, at least.

 

[Bassoe]

So, let's look at potential solutions:

Raise pay, working conditions and benefits for soldiers until the job starts to appeal again.
Disadvantages:

• Expensive, I can just hear the bureaucrats squealing now at the very thought.
• After decades of constant lying, who'd trust the recruiter propagandists that this time they weren't gonna screw you over?
• Could allow soldiers to build up wealth, contrary to the long-term goal of reducing everyone but the plutocrats to bankrupt rent-slaves.

American Foreign League. Service guarantees citizenship.
Disadvantages:

• You know all those statistics about how many American soldiers would refuse to fire upon American citizens or otherwise refuse totalitarian orders against their own people? Not an issue with a foreign varangian guard.
• An Arminius or even an Odoacer scenario. Traditionally, replacing untrustworthy native soldiers with barbarian mercenaries keeps backfiring spectacularly.

Fuck up the economy so badly that hiring yourselves out as glorified mercenaries is the only available career.
Disadvantages:

• If you're gonna be at risk of getting shot in the process of fighting a war anyway, why join the army of the people who put you in that situation instead of one of the civilian militias forming to take revenge on them? It'd be the fall of the Weimar Republic all over again, only this time the scapegoats genuinely would be guilty.

Robots.
Disadvantages:

• Technology isn't quite there yet, ask again in another decade or two. Yeah, I've heard all the conspiracy theories about the military-industry complex black budget, keeping gadgetry ahead of the civilian market to themselves and the supposed real reason for the global microchip shortage, but I don't believe them, much more likely that the money got embezzled on account of the lack of oversight than used to build an army of terminators.
• Same loyalty-to-the-politicians-not-the-people varangian guard issue as an American Foreign League.
• If their loyalty can be challenged, there's always the risk that suddenly the entire leadership of the status quo will be massacred by their own bodyguards and the Boston Dynamics CEO, some peon coder who put a backdoor in their software, the hacker known as 4chan, an unexpectedly intelligent artificially intelligent operating system, etc, proclaims themselves the first American Emperor.

 

[bintananth]

That's ..... nice?

Is that you conceding the argument?

Somewhat.

Although, I do like the idea of your sister, Arthur. From a safe distance, at least.

To paraphrase John D. Clark: "a fluorine fire is a sight to behold ... from a safe distance". Arthur considers a fire which can not be extingished by any known means to be a day ending in "-y".

She thinks she might have a bottle of perfluoric acid (HFO4).

 

[AnimalNoodles]

I ain't fighting for no rainbow flag.
I ain't dying for crt
Fuck the pig empire

 

[Robovski]

So, let's look at potential solutions:

Raise pay, working conditions and benefits for soldiers until the job starts to appeal again.
Disadvantages:

• Expensive, I can just hear the bureaucrats squealing now at the very thought.
• After decades of constant lying, who'd trust the recruiter propagandists that this time they weren't gonna screw you over?
• Could allow soldiers to build up wealth, contrary to the long-term goal of reducing everyone but the plutocrats to bankrupt rent-slaves.

American Foreign League. Service guarantees citizenship.
Disadvantages:

• You know all those statistics about how many American soldiers would refuse to fire upon American citizens or otherwise refuse totalitarian orders against their own people? Not an issue with a foreign varangian guard.
• An Arminius or even an Odoacer scenario. Traditionally, replacing untrustworthy native soldiers with barbarian mercenaries keeps backfiring spectacularly.

Fuck up the economy so badly that hiring yourselves out as glorified mercenaries is the only available career.
Disadvantages:

• If you're gonna be at risk of getting shot in the process of fighting a war anyway, why join the army of the people who put you in that situation instead of one of the civilian militias forming to take revenge on them? It'd be the fall of the Weimar Republic all over again, only this time the scapegoats genuinely would be guilty.

Robots.
Disadvantages:

• Technology isn't quite there yet, ask again in another decade or two. Yeah, I've heard all the conspiracy theories about the military-industry complex black budget, keeping gadgetry ahead of the civilian market to themselves and the supposed real reason for the global microchip shortage, but I don't believe them, much more likely that the money got embezzled on account of the lack of oversight than used to build an army of terminators.
• Same loyalty-to-the-politicians-not-the-people varangian guard issue as an American Foreign League.
• If their loyalty can be challenged, there's always the risk that suddenly the entire leadership of the status quo will be massacred by their own bodyguards and the Boston Dynamics CEO, some peon coder who put a backdoor in their software, the hacker known as 4chan, an unexpectedly intelligent artificially intelligent operating system, etc, proclaims themselves the first American Emperor.

Not having loyalty to the people is a drawback to you and me, not to the Generals or the governing class.

 

[Simonbob]

Not having loyalty to the people is a drawback to you and me, not to the Generals or the governing class.

Sure, but if they don't have that loyalty, who or what are they loyal to?

Loyalty to the people/nation is reasonably predicable and controlable. Loyalty to money? Money is a form of power, if your troops are only loyal to the power they can get, then killing current power holders to take power for yourself is just common sense.

And, if they're loyal to other nations/faiths, well, why would they care about any general, or the nation in question?


Over all, the current plan of those who'd have all power structure groups fucked up so they can get more, well, it'll work for a while, but when it all falls over, we can hope that those scum are killed first.

 

[Robovski]

To be fair, I know (as an example) Britain has a program for foreign nationals (Commonwealth and Republic of Ireland) to serve, they seem to do fine at least. https://www.army.mod.uk/people/join-well/non-uk-nationals/

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

So, let's look at potential solutions:

Raise pay, working conditions and benefits for soldiers until the job starts to appeal again.
Disadvantages:

• Expensive, I can just hear the bureaucrats squealing now at the very thought.
• After decades of constant lying, who'd trust the recruiter propagandists that this time they weren't gonna screw you over?
• Could allow soldiers to build up wealth, contrary to the long-term goal of reducing everyone but the plutocrats to bankrupt rent-slaves.

American Foreign League. Service guarantees citizenship.
Disadvantages:

• You know all those statistics about how many American soldiers would refuse to fire upon American citizens or otherwise refuse totalitarian orders against their own people? Not an issue with a foreign varangian guard.
• An Arminius or even an Odoacer scenario. Traditionally, replacing untrustworthy native soldiers with barbarian mercenaries keeps backfiring spectacularly.

Fuck up the economy so badly that hiring yourselves out as glorified mercenaries is the only available career.
Disadvantages:

• If you're gonna be at risk of getting shot in the process of fighting a war anyway, why join the army of the people who put you in that situation instead of one of the civilian militias forming to take revenge on them? It'd be the fall of the Weimar Republic all over again, only this time the scapegoats genuinely would be guilty.

Robots.
Disadvantages:

• Technology isn't quite there yet, ask again in another decade or two. Yeah, I've heard all the conspiracy theories about the military-industry complex black budget, keeping gadgetry ahead of the civilian market to themselves and the supposed real reason for the global microchip shortage, but I don't believe them, much more likely that the money got embezzled on account of the lack of oversight than used to build an army of terminators.
• Same loyalty-to-the-politicians-not-the-people varangian guard issue as an American Foreign League.
• If their loyalty can be challenged, there's always the risk that suddenly the entire leadership of the status quo will be massacred by their own bodyguards and the Boston Dynamics CEO, some peon coder who put a backdoor in their software, the hacker known as 4chan, an unexpectedly intelligent artificially intelligent operating system, etc, proclaims themselves the first American Emperor.

You'd probably get people from the Third World who might see military service with an American Foreign Legion as the quick way to get US citizenship, or permanent residency status within the US, although I would suspect that the only ones that might be genuinely interested from the Third World would either be Liberia, the Philippines, or even the Oceanian nations that have CFA status. Although I could also see Canadians potentially joining this group as a way of easing their move to the US as well.