Proxy 404
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you got a time machine for that claim?
We Need To Stop Calling Ourselves Conservatives
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bintananth
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No, but do I have a college education which included reading and discussing the complete works of Shakespeare.
Proxy 404
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How nice for you means precisely dick in this case
bintananth
behind a desk
*shrugs* "Whatever"
You are trying to goad people into responding in an "haha, I gotcha" manner. I'm not going to fall for it.
Pocky Balboa
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From the Federalist Paper #29 (emphasis mine):
Hamilton clearly defines "well-regulated" as being properly supplied and trained to be functioning correctly.
bintananth
behind a desk
If a militia is not adaquately supplied with what they need - including the intangibles like discipline and leadership - you don't have a militia you can rely on in an emergency.
Bear Ribs
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Basic Reading isn't as difficult as you may believe. We have dictionaries from that era.
The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:
1709: “If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations.”
1714: “The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world.”
1812: “The equation of time … is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial.”
1848: “A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor.”
1862: “It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding.”
1894: “The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city.”
The phrase “well-regulated” was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people’s arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
bintananth
behind a desk
That's how you solve the longitude part of the "where the hell are we?" aspect of navigation.
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Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
It's not really relevant to me, but the 2nd Amendment is a "leave it alone" thing. If you want to stop mass shooters you ought to focus on creating a stronger sense of community, and patch over the cracks in the mental health system through which these people fall. Whereby, you remove the cesspit that creates them instead of just taking a tool away.
Edit: Hell, as far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, private citizens can own cannons and full blown warships.
Edit: Hell, as far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, private citizens can own cannons and full blown warships.
bintananth
behind a desk
Letters of marque and reprisal were a thing during the age of sail which allowed private citizens who owned heavily armed merchant ships to actually use them in ways that weren't covered by immediate self-defense without getting executed for piracy.
You will notice the vast majority of mass shooters are the children of single family homes and are children of divorce. You will notice that the children of divorce do worse on every metric and are far more likely to end up in prision and yet we as a society do nothing about that issue.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Somewhere in the course of our obsession with material gain, and crafting a perfect society, we ended up accidentally taking out the nuclear family. That was one big god damn mistake.
bintananth
behind a desk
I would say it was taking out the extended family.
Mommy and daddy probably don't know jack shit about how to raise you when you're the first child. Grandparents, OTOH, certainly do because they've "been there, done that, and have the t-shirt."
Agreed extended families have been how families were successfuly done for most of human history,
bintananth
behind a desk
For much of human history you also usually married a cousin - 1st, 1st once removed, or 2nd - because the elders who knew you went "yup, that's a good match".
Every law which says "cousins can't marry" is meant to and will break up families no matter how it's presented and written.
posh-goofiness
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Accidentally. Sure.
bintananth
behind a desk
It wasn't an accident.
Take a look at ancient China. They had laws stating that you could not marry someone if their surname matched yours even if you could prove that you weren't tracebly related to them in any way.
King Krávoka
An infection of Your universe.
How can you see Proxy 404 lying in his blood like this, and still insist that second amendment purists don't support murder?Try reading the Federalist Papers.