When Your Plow Is Too Smart To Fix

Husky_Khan

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There's a new bill in the Senate pertaining to the 'Right to Repair' Tractors.

The Register said:
The Agriculture Right to Repair Act, a US Senate bill introduced on Tuesday by Senator Jon Tester (D-MT), aims to force farm equipment makers to provide parts, documentation, software, and tools for repairs to third parties on reasonable terms.

The Freedom to Repair Act, introduced to the House of Representatives on Wednesday by US Representatives Mondaire Jones (D-NY) and Victoria Spartz (R-IN), promises to "legalize repairing what you own or taking it to the repair shop of your choice" by revising copyright law.

The FTR Act exempts "the diagnosis, maintenance, or repair of digital electronic equipment" – except medical devices – from the anti-circumvention provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It also exempts the manufacture, sale, and importation of circumvention products that enable repairs of non-medical devices. If passed, it will make breaking digital locks for the purpose of fixing products legal by default in most cases.

US right to repair bills aim to make ownership great again (pdf of Bill within the article)



Also two lawsuits have been filed against John Deere on this very issue as well just this month alone.

 

Simonbob

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Honestly, if they're that kind of producer, why buy from them at all?

If people know what they're like, and still buy their stuff, that's on them.
 

Bear Ribs

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Honestly, if they're that kind of producer, why buy from them at all?

If people know what they're like, and still buy their stuff, that's on them.
Monopoly/Oligopoly. It's the common pattern you run into in megabusiness where they operate at a loss or bare minimum for a time to eliminate small competitors, engage in regulatory capture to ensure no new competition is able to arise, and then start squeezing the consumer base for all it's worth once their position is unassailable and people can't buy from anywhere else.
 

Agent23

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Honestly farmers might do well to buy up old stuff and get it working again.
TBH this obsession with green nonsense and Big Data is crippling the west and it will give China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and a number of other countries that are not run by navel-gazing buffoons that can't see past their back yard a massive competitive advantage, especially where selling to emerging and frontier markets is concerned.

A lot of this stuff, IMO, is just a thinly-vailed excuse to force people to buy new vehicles, ones that often come with lots of spyware, with "green policies" being an excuse to transfer money from the government to the Car companies as a shadow subsidy.

I mean, Toyota pioneered electric and hybrids, and partnered with Tesla, but after the CEO said outright that the tech is not there yet the Tesla fanboys started to ree like mad.

The difference between it and the Western car makers?

Well, it sells a lot of cars in Asia, where peak car hasn't been reached and people want affordability and reliability.
 

ParadiseLost

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TBH this obsession with green nonsense and Big Data is crippling the west and it will give China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and a number of other countries that are not run by navel-gazing buffoons that can't see past their back yard a massive competitive advantage, especially where selling to emerging and frontier markets is concerned.

A lot of this stuff, IMO, is just a thinly-vailed excuse to force people to buy new vehicles, ones that often come with lots of spyware, with "green policies" being an excuse to transfer money from the government to the Car companies as a shadow subsidy.

I mean, Toyota pioneered electric and hybrids, and partnered with Tesla, but after the CEO said outright that the tech is not there yet the Tesla fanboys started to ree like mad.

The difference between it and the Western car makers?

Well, it sells a lot of cars in Asia, where peak car hasn't been reached and people want affordability and reliability.

Toyota engineers flat out stated that Tesla is years ahead of Toyota.

Tesla is also doing just fine expanding into China and Germany.
 

Doomsought

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The viability of electric cars is very localized. In areas that are very dense, with housing near employers, they work well. In low density areas, where long distance travel is needed on a daily basis, they don't work as well. It takes far too long to charge the batteries full even if their max capacity would allow it.

With a 20 amp residential outlet, it takes 1.6 hours to charge a battery the equivalent of one gallon of gas. The few minutes it takes to fill up a car's tank of gas transfers as much energy as two full days days of charging an electric vehicle.
 

Agent23

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The viability of electric cars is very localized. In areas that are very dense, with housing near employers, they work well. In low density areas, where long distance travel is needed on a daily basis, they don't work as well. It takes far too long to charge the batteries full even if their max capacity would allow it.

With a 20 amp residential outlet, it takes 1.6 hours to charge a battery the equivalent of one gallon of gas. The few minutes it takes to fill up a car's tank of gas transfers as much energy as two full days days of charging an electric vehicle.
Yeah, also try living in places where the temperature goes to below -30C and see how well those batteries last. :D
 

Terthna

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They should just import their tractors from Russia, I am pretty sure they are still following the cheap, simplistic rugged design of the soviet era.
Tractor made in Russia!

KAMAZ in particular produced and probably still produces extremely rugged tech.

Unfortunately, the United States government has recently been banning the purchase of Russian exports left and right; like ammunition, for example, which reportedly made certain calibers almost impossible to find.
 

Simonbob

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Back to the thread topic, the required materials to fix/maintain the newest factory equipment is expensive, and not particualy common. There's a reason why older forklifts are kept going, they work pretty much as well, are just as safe, and by missing all the bells and whistles, are more reliable.

(There is a 50 year old forklift at my workplace, it does just fine.)
 

ParadiseLost

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The viability of electric cars is very localized. In areas that are very dense, with housing near employers, they work well. In low density areas, where long distance travel is needed on a daily basis, they don't work as well. It takes far too long to charge the batteries full even if their max capacity would allow it.

An overnight charge can get you 200+ miles on a Tesla.

Not many people need that on a daily basis.
 

ParadiseLost

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Can.

If there's hills, it's less. If you need aircon, it's less.


It's usually ok, within a standard city, but it's not much use on any longer trip. That's always been an issue with electric cars.

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Map of Tesla supercharging stations that can charge your car within 15 minutes.
 

ParadiseLost

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My gas tank can get me 900 miles and takes less than 5 minutes to fill. Also the overnight charge requires a house renovation, you need to put a in a new breaker in your breaker box dedicated to charging the car. In many jurisdictions, this requires a licensed electrician by law.

Its an average of about $1,000, which is a tiny fraction of the cost of a new car.

And again - the number of people who are travelling 900 miles on a regular basis is pretty low, and even then, you have Superchargers (if you're going for a Tesla).
 

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