I figured I'd spread my taint to other forums, so. I think Palpatine.
Who is more evil, the God-Emperor of Man or Emperor Palpatine?
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CarlManvers2019
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I think this discussion belongs here
Also, weird how I see guys making fanfics basically whitewashing a guy responsible for multiple mass genocides and turning the children of those he conquered into indoctrinated super-jannisaries
Becouse in WH40 IoM is still best option.Except Tau,but they are small.Besides...Emprah is cool,and WH40 is tabletop game where important think is how cool you like.
And let be frank - all WH40 factions fighting any thinking and advanced enemy would be slaughtered.
CarlManvers2019
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He could if that was RL.But he live in tabletoop game with two rules - cool and grimdark.That is why Angron friends must die.
In RL Angron would betray him earlier.
Althought - Emprah really acted like idiot there.But...his Crusade motto "burn churches,pray to computers" was idiotic as well.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
The Mechanicum were given special leeway there, but even before the Heresy, people like Koriel Zeth seemed to be kinda making the beginnings of some sort of more atheist-secular transformation for the Mechanicum
Though, I've talked about it with others before, they say even if the Emperor was nicer and didn't do a subtle threat to Mars. Kelbor-Hal would STILL have betrayed the Imperium.
Lanmandragon
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I'd choose EOMK every single time before the space commies. Theocracy (and every be other government ever) is better then communism. Screw the Tau.
Anyway it's obviously the emperor he did crazy crap to save humanity. Where Sheev just did stuff for power and lulz. Intent matters and emps has a far better one then Sheev by far.
Tau are space commies,but IoM are space soviets.So,both are equilly bad.
And Farsight enclave are not commies, so they could be last hope.
Lanmandragon
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CarlManvers2019
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The Imperium also has a surprising amount of autonomy given to each of its worlds or sub-empires, even allows a variation of how you worship the Emperor and does that thing with how you can say “the Great Spirit” is merely “Yahweh in another form” for conversion without having to use military force
Lanmandragon
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Yep a fairly loose feudal imperial confederation/theocracy Holy Roman Empire writ large.
CarlManvers2019
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With a number of expies of human civilization across time and space
For those guys calling the Imperium “fascist” it is ironically VERY diverse when you think about it
ShieldWife
Marchioness
One could make an argument that the God Emperor of Mankind is evil, sure, he has done some really terrible things including killing and/or persecuting a lot of innocent people. Being evil wasn't his goal though, he wanted to ultimately help mankind. I guess you could say the same thing about a lot of real life mass murderers, that they had some higher purpose that they believed justified their atrocities. It doesn't excuse the bad things that the GEOM has done, but it is something to keep in mind when passing moral judgements on him.
Emperor Palpatine though, he is totally evil. His goal is evil, being an oppressive murdering tyrant is just the means he uses to cause harm.
In a way, the God Emperor is more like a realistic villain, in that his morality involves shades of gray, while the Galactic Emperor is a cartoony villain who is evil to the core. Could the GEOM be a villain? Sure, in the right context he could be seen as a villain, to some of the many innocent people his policies have hurt, maybe to the Tau or humans who don't wish to submit to his rule, maybe if exposed to another sci-fi universe the Imperium under the GEOM would seem villainous.
Emperor Palpatine though, he is totally evil. His goal is evil, being an oppressive murdering tyrant is just the means he uses to cause harm.
In a way, the God Emperor is more like a realistic villain, in that his morality involves shades of gray, while the Galactic Emperor is a cartoony villain who is evil to the core. Could the GEOM be a villain? Sure, in the right context he could be seen as a villain, to some of the many innocent people his policies have hurt, maybe to the Tau or humans who don't wish to submit to his rule, maybe if exposed to another sci-fi universe the Imperium under the GEOM would seem villainous.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Unless your a knife ear though Palpys absolute rule would still likely be preferable to the Emperors for many Xenos types.
But yes overall if agree Palpatine is more evil.
But yes overall if agree Palpatine is more evil.
If you had to live under one of them, Palpatine is the better choice. His Empire, even at the height of his evilness, was better run and generally a better place to live than the IoM.
Personally though? Palpatine is a great deal more evil than the Emperor. The Emperor does "evil" because it is necessary for human survival and prevents greater "evils". Palpatine does evil because it amuses him.
Personally though? Palpatine is a great deal more evil than the Emperor. The Emperor does "evil" because it is necessary for human survival and prevents greater "evils". Palpatine does evil because it amuses him.
I disagree. The empire depicted in movies and the EU was an intermediary thing, with Palpatine's vision of the empire being one of perpeptual suffering and where he would feed on and be immortal.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
If the God Emperor of Mankind, instead of ruling the Imperium in the 40K galaxy, instead ruled the Galactic Empire, how different would his reign be and how different would this Galactic Empire be from the canon Galactic Empire or the Imperium?
I think a good case could be made that things are so bad under the GEOM’s rule because the galaxy itself is terrible, with Chaos an ever present threat along with evil aliens who want to destroy humanity. If the GEOM ruled an empire as relatively free of threats as the Galactic Empire, could he afford to be kinder and would he be?
I think a good case could be made that things are so bad under the GEOM’s rule because the galaxy itself is terrible, with Chaos an ever present threat along with evil aliens who want to destroy humanity. If the GEOM ruled an empire as relatively free of threats as the Galactic Empire, could he afford to be kinder and would he be?
Lanmandragon
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He'd probably stillbe in hiding actually.
Arlos
Sad Monarchist
I’d prefer to live under Palpy, not because his empire is better run, but because Warhammer galaxy is completely fucked up even without any humans input compared to Star wars Galaxy.
Some Planet in the Imperium are actually quite ok to live on, the problem is that you don‘t know when annihilation or damnation will simply fall on your head.