"Woke" Franchises

Terthna

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So... Woke Franchises?
You're going to have to be more specific, because it seems like almost all franchises are woke these days. Take He-Man for example; they're race swapping Prince Adam's ancestor, the first He-Man, into being black.


Mind you, this is being done because the producer wanted less "giant white blonde dudes" in their show; because He-Man himself is already apparently more than enough, even considering the fact that they're sidelining him in favor of his now butch (because apparently, feminine traits are sexist against women) sister, Teela.
 

nemo1986

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You're going to have to be more specific, because it seems like almost all franchises are woke these days. Take He-Man for example; they're race swapping Prince Adam's ancestor, the first He-Man, into being black.


Mind you, this is being done because the producer wanted less "giant white blonde dudes" in their show; because He-Man himself is already apparently more than enough, even considering the fact that they're sidelining him in favor of his now butch (because apparently, feminine traits are sexist against women) sister, Teela.

She-ra is his sister, Teela is his guard and love intrest.
 

prinCZess

Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
You're right, sorry; don't know how I made that mistake. Maybe it's the fact that she's apparently being portrayed as a butch lesbian in this show, just like She-ra was in her's, that confused me.
At least they didn't put Teela in a skort and an abusive relationship with Evil-Lyn, though.
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...I've stumbled upon the finale of the show, haven't I.
 

Bear Ribs

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X-23 is no longer the character we know and love. She is now nothing more than a tokenized Wolverine.


@Bear Ribs, have you any thoughts on this?
I'm just kinda meh honestly. Comics tend to wreck their own characters from time to time, and X-23 has taken more of a wrecking than some.

Ultimately X-23 usually only has one character arc, she's pretty much murderous Pinocchio. She's a soulless killing machine that breaks away from her programming and gradually becomes a real girl. Then the next writer undoes all her development and she starts over. It's fairly rare that somebody does something new with her anymore.

Wolverine tends to be problematic* because he's so much more well-known and popular than the other heroes he tends to hang with. This has a bit of a warping effect, such as the common "Wolverine Publicity" stunt of putting Wolverine front and center even on other hero's comics where he barely appears. Similar he's the only one to be in all 11 X-men movies so far, even movies where he had no major role made sure there was a Wolverine cameo, and he's gotten multiple movies to himself where the others haven't. No other character comes close. As a result, unless there's a very strong editorial hand exercising discipline, Marvel will tend to put Wolverine everywhere they possibly can and cross him over as much as possible because he's a proven moneymaker compared to their large stable of also-rans that most non-comics fans won't even recognize. It becomes an issue when they do it so often and it warps everything else around Wolverine at times, to something similar to "Tragedy of the Commons" if an editor doesn't reign everybody else in and cut down on it

I think this change is a bad one but I don't really see this as sexism or a direct attack on X-23. I see it as somebody at Marvel seeing another chance to throw up Wolverine and going for it even though it makes little sense and, in fact, is actively harmful to the character. It's stupid of course, but that's why I find Wolverine a bit problematic, his star moneymaker potential makes the writers do stupid things to get as much Wolverine as they can.

*I'm not using this term in the common internet discussion tactic of "X doesn't support my position but actually calling it bad will leave me open to counter-attack, so I'm going to imply it's bad without committing" but rather the actual meaning, it causes problems.
 

Terthna

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So, the new He-man is finally out, and it's apparently even worse that was feared. It's already being compared to the Star Wars sequels, in terms of how insulting it is to fans and the franchise as a whole. He-man himself is killed off within the first five minutes, and things just get progressively (Hah!) more terrible from there.
 

DarthOne

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So, the new He-man is finally out, and it's apparently even worse that was feared. It's already being compared to the Star Wars sequels, in terms of how insulting it is to fans and the franchise as a whole. He-man himself is killed off within the first five minutes, and things just get progressively (Hah!) more terrible from there.

Only good thing so far is that it’s so bad that even IGN (?) is giving it flack from what I’ve heard.
 

Bear Ribs

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Only good thing so far is that it’s so bad that even IGN (?) is giving it flack from what I’ve heard.
Must be a different IGN than my universe, their review is positively gushing about how great it is.

As a sequel to Filmation's classic cartoon He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Masters of the Universe: Revelation, from He-Man superfan Kevin Smith, is a bonafide blast.
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The first episode, "The Power of Grayskull," drops fans into the ongoing battle between good and evil -- between He-Man and Skeletor -- that served as the spine for the entire original series. Then, after making sure the original recipe formula was being honored and acknowledged, it blows everything up quite spectacularly. What then follows is an exciting and giddily rewarding journey that makes new and wonderful use of the ensemble.
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Verdict
Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe: Revelation is a big take-having, big swing-taking He-Man sequel that superbly flips the script on the mythos and characters. It makes the bold choice that Prince Adam and He-Man should be integral to the story, but not central, allowing them to push forward others' arcs in interesting new ways. Kevin Smith has created an eye-popping serialized after-Eternia arc that features tragedies, bitter choices, and dark feelings amid the previously nutty world of these super-buff titans and robots. And it works like a charm.
 

Terthna

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Must be a different IGN than my universe, their review is positively gushing about how great it is.

As a sequel to Filmation's classic cartoon He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Masters of the Universe: Revelation, from He-Man superfan Kevin Smith, is a bonafide blast.
...
The first episode, "The Power of Grayskull," drops fans into the ongoing battle between good and evil -- between He-Man and Skeletor -- that served as the spine for the entire original series. Then, after making sure the original recipe formula was being honored and acknowledged, it blows everything up quite spectacularly. What then follows is an exciting and giddily rewarding journey that makes new and wonderful use of the ensemble.
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Verdict
Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe: Revelation is a big take-having, big swing-taking He-Man sequel that superbly flips the script on the mythos and characters. It makes the bold choice that Prince Adam and He-Man should be integral to the story, but not central, allowing them to push forward others' arcs in interesting new ways. Kevin Smith has created an eye-popping serialized after-Eternia arc that features tragedies, bitter choices, and dark feelings amid the previously nutty world of these super-buff titans and robots. And it works like a charm.
Rotten Tomatoes right now has the average critic score at 94%, while the average audience score sits at 26%.
 

Bassoe

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G.I. Joe (2019) reads like a deliberate parody of a Modern™ reboot of a classic franchise, to the point where the readcomicsonline comment section was full of jokes about how the only appropriate ending would've been a recruitment poster subtitled with 'don't want this, sign up today'.

It was like someone was going off a checklist. The bad guys have won so the heroes are a small band of civilian rebels without military overtones, check, kill off all the preexisting characters in favor of more diverse replacements, check, the bad guys have been made into a quasi-religious right wing populist conspiracy with institutional backing, check, etc.

The real hilarity only begins with the Dreadnoks, who are turned into Heroic Freedom Fighters™ by being left exactly the same, now that 'jackasses acting like mad max extras, led by a collage professor who's romanticized doing so as a form of ideological protest' are a relevant political demographic.

Quite funny, if only unintentionally.
 

Chaos Marine

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The only thing wrong with the Drinker's video is that he fails to mention that Skeletor is now evil because he's an incel. To be fair to him though, it's near the very end and had probably mentally checked out by then and I couldn't blame him for that either.

It's really weird that there's practically no women in the series too. There are some men and some men pretending to be females.
 
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Hlaalu Agent

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The only thing wrong with the Drinker's video is that he fails to mention that Skeletor is now evil because he's an incel. To be fair to him though, it's near the very end and had probably mentally checked out by then and I couldn't blame him for that either.

It's really weird that there's practically no women in the series too. There are some men and some men pretending to be females.

Honestly the concept could be used to give him pathos if it wasn't so obviously a political tack on, or Kevin Smith just being a hack. Imagine it this way, Skeletor is a bad guy and proud of it. But, even he has needs. He wants to have a wife, who could be a partner in evil, but he also wants some basic human contact. Beyond his bumbling henchmen, he actually wants to have friends (who are his peers) who he can shoot the evil shit with, but having a massive skull for a face makes that very difficult and prevents him from having the contact he seeks. It however has nothing to do with his evil, it does however partially explain why he is crazy.

Wait, did I just hash out a better execution of the same idea?
 

Chaos Marine

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Honestly the concept could be used to give him pathos if it wasn't so obviously a political tack on, or Kevin Smith just being a hack. Imagine it this way, Skeletor is a bad guy and proud of it. But, even he has needs. He wants to have a wife, who could be a partner in evil, but he also wants some basic human contact. Beyond his bumbling henchmen, he actually wants to have friends (who are his peers) who he can shoot the evil shit with, but having a massive skull for a face makes that very difficult and prevents him from having the contact he seeks. It however has nothing to do with his evil, it does however partially explain why he is crazy.

Wait, did I just hash out a better execution of the same idea?
From the show, it's heavily implied that Evil Lyn could fill that role.
 

Chaos Marine

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The new one or old one?
The new one, it's implied that Lyn dedicated herself to Skeletor in the new series and since then, views that period as a waste. The, "I could have changed him," response you see from women who get into a relationship with the aim to change a guy and realizes that she didn't change a thing.
 

Hlaalu Agent

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The new one, it's implied that Lyn dedicated herself to Skeletor in the new series and since then, views that period as a waste. The, "I could have changed him," response you see from women who get into a relationship with the aim to change a guy and realizes that she didn't change a thing.

Ah, so more frittering of potential by him. And why change Skeletor? He is perfect just the way he is.
 

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