China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

The Whispering Monk

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Osaul
It's safe to say that list is worthless given the first name on said list failed the "was he vaccinated" test.

And of course there's the whole "Correlation =/= Causation" that would require you compare the rates of those maladies among that group across multiple years.

Also just because I can further debunk this... False: Over 200 athletes suffered cardiac arrests and at least 100 of them died after getting vaccinated against COVID-19.
Dude...your 'fact checking site' also says that the Democrats had nothing to do with implicating Trump in collusion with Russia. So your fact checkers are worthless.

I also find it VERY interesting that this company formed in 2017 to fight misinformation. I'm looking deeper at logically.ai, but I recommend you just don't ever use them again.
 

BlackDragon98

Freikorps Kommandant
Banned - Politics
You know if you're going to try and pull up a strawman you might want to try keeping it at least tangentially connected to the subject you are replying to.

Just a bit of advice for the future.

Why would one change the definite of something so important so many times?

Unless one had something to hide, that is.

But if you wish to keep playing 🙈🙉🙊, then go ahead.

Enjoy the free world while you can.
 

Vaermina

Well-known member
Dude...your 'fact checking site' also says that the Democrats had nothing to do with implicating Trump in collusion with Russia. So your fact checkers are worthless.

I also find it VERY interesting that this company formed in 2017 to fight misinformation. I'm looking deeper at logically.ai, but I recommend you just don't ever use them again.
So... When are you going to actually attack the argument made?



Why would one change the definite of something so important so many times?

Unless one had something to hide, that is.

But if you wish to keep playing 🙈🙉🙊, then go ahead.

Enjoy the free world while you can.
That's nice.

It's still a strawman that has nothing to do with what you replied to.
 

The Whispering Monk

Well-known member
Osaul
The argument on the fact checking page that pointed out all the logical inconsistencies and out right deceptions the site it was checking attempted to pull...
So the argument goes, if I understand it right, that the page I posted is incorrect on some things so therefore it is incorrect in its entirety. The page gives a couple of examples where someone has said the vax was not at issue, but we don't get that info from a medical professional, just some team rep. It also goes on to say that some were never vax'd, but does not go to show any evidence to support that.

Let's pretend that everything your site says is true. We'll knock off 2 of my site's examples plus, what, half a dozen people...nah,I'll give you another full dozen. So we'll eliminate 15 people from the site as erroneous in some fashion.

That leaves (293 - 15 = 278) 278 incidents where athletes have keeled over do to serious cardiac events. I'll even pull all 15 of those from the deceased column as well for you which puts us as 152 dead as a result of these incidents. So...that's still a pretty big problem.

I've never been in favor of vax'ing for kids or young adults. There's too much risk for too little gain.
 

Rocinante

Russian Bot
Founder
So the argument goes, if I understand it right, that the page I posted is incorrect on some things so therefore it is incorrect in its entirety. The page gives a couple of examples where someone has said the vax was not at issue, but we don't get that info from a medical professional, just some team rep. It also goes on to say that some were never vax'd, but does not go to show any evidence to support that.

Let's pretend that everything your site says is true. We'll knock off 2 of my site's examples plus, what, half a dozen people...nah,I'll give you another full dozen. So we'll eliminate 15 people from the site as erroneous in some fashion.

That leaves (293 - 15 = 278) 278 incidents where athletes have keeled over do to serious cardiac events. I'll even pull all 15 of those from the deceased column as well for you which puts us as 152 dead as a result of these incidents. So...that's still a pretty big problem.

I've never been in favor of vax'ing for kids or young adults. There's too much risk for too little gain.
he's saying that site is unreliable because of a few mistakes/falsehoods, but he's using a site that contains mistakes and falsehoods to prove this, so by his own standards, his source is unreliable.

You make a good point here, but it's time to stop arguing. If he's going to use -by his own standards- unreliable sources to claim other sources are unreliable, there is no productive conversation to be had here.
 
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Chiron

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LA Sheriff's office force-vaxxing special needs kids.


Pure child abuse, and they didn't even inject them properly 😡 Rule #1 when doing intramuscular injections is that you aspirate the damn syringe to make sure you aren't in a blood vessel. Failure to do so means the vaccine potentially goes to the heart.
 

DarthOne

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Court Filing, FDA Wants to Wait Until Current Generation Dies Before Releasing Documents Detailing Vaccine Approval

A simple question should be posed to the FDA about their vaccine authorization position:

How does a person give ‘informed consent‘ when the information is withheld?

Perhaps the judge in the case against the FDA will ask the question, perhaps not, but the question remains.

The FDA took a grand total of 108 days to decide the Pfizer vaccine was safe, given the data shared with them by the pharmaceutical company. The same FDA is now saying they need 75 years to provide the public with the same data. This is not a confidence building position by a federal regulatory agency attempting to instill public confidence.

Aaron Siri, the lawyer suing the FDA to get custody of the documents used by the FDA in approving the vaccine, is providing an update today [SEE HERE]. Mr Siri notes the FDA is now saying they will not be able to complete fulfillment of the public records release until the year 2096.

Aaron Siri – […] “My firm, on behalf of PHMPT, asked that this information be disclosed in 108 days – the same amount of time it took for the FDA to review and license Pfizer’s vaccine.

The Court ordered the parties to submit briefs in support of their respective positions by December 6, 2021. The FDA’s brief, incredibly, doubles down. It now effectively asks to have until at least 2096 to produce the Pfizer documents. Not a typo. A total of at least 75 years.

Other than producing an initial ~12,000 pages in around two months, the FDA thereafter only wants to commit to producing 500 pages per month. The FDA also disclosed that it actually has approximately at least 451,000 pages to produce.” (Read More)


Sketchy… All of it!

My reaction can best be summed up as 'cool - cut their funding until then.'

Also, if the FDA has almost half a million pages to release on a single EUA application, that clearly illustrates the agency is an inefficient bureaucracy that needs to be dismantled.
 

DarthOne

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An Indiana school district hired outside counsel to threaten a father for speaking out against mask mandates. Turns out, one of the district’s board members is also a partner at the hired law firm, which happens to actively support the county's Democrat party.

School District Intimidates Parent With Legal Action for Speaking Against Mask Mandates; Hires Board Member’s Law Firm


WHITLEY COUNTY, Ind. — The Whitley County Consolidated School District (WCCS) is threatening legal action against a parent for speaking out against mask mandates. The district has hired outside counsel and is now demanding the parent not communicate with any teacher, staff or administrator about anything, including issues dealing with his own children. It turns out, one of the district’s board members is also a partner at that law firm.

In a letter dated November 23rd, attorney John Whiteleather writes, in part, “until advised to the contrary all communications or contact of whatsoever nature between you and any and all administrators, faculty and staff of WCCS shall be directly through my office. In other words, you are to immediately cease and desist all communications or contact directly or indirectly with or to the employees of this school system…”

“You need to understand that this school system is required to comply with the federal mandate that all students are required to wear appropriate face masks which (sic) occupying our school busses.” Whiteleather continues. “Again, Mr. Stafford, from now on any communication or contact with each and every one of the administrators, faculty, staff and all other employees of Whitley County Consolidated Schools must be directly through my office. Your failure or refusal to comply with this directive will require further action, including legal proceedings.”

You can read the entire letter below.
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Whiteleather is a partner at the firm Bloom, Gates, Shipman and Whiteleather. Another partner at the firm, Timothy Bloom, is currently the Vice President of the WCCS Board of School Trustees. REAL News Michiana reached out to the firm more than a week ago to get comment on both the obvious conflict of interest and the letter sent to the parent. As of publication, nobody from the firm has responded.

“It’s a very broad, broad letter.” Damien Stafford, who has two children in the school district, said. “It’s all because I’ve been outspoken against the mask mandate.” Stafford, who is also a combat veteran of the Iraq War, added.

“If I didn’t speak, I’ve had someone read something from me at every school board meeting since May I believe.” Stafford told RNM about his recent involvement with the school district. “I’ve talked to the transportation director, assistant principals, principals, everybody. I’m just saying, ‘Hey, look, this isn’t right. My kids are being forced off of the bus and there are others who aren’t (wearing masks getting forced off).”

“(My main issue is) whether we agree or disagree with the mask mandate, at least make sure it’s fair.” He said. “We can have a debate about the mask mandate later, after they enforce it equally across the board.”

“This letter is them trying to silence me.” Stafford added. “They’re trying to shut me up. I’m not going anywhere and they think they can scare me away.”
 

Vaermina

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So the argument goes, if I understand it right, that the page I posted is incorrect on some things so therefore it is incorrect in its entirety. The page gives a couple of examples where someone has said the vax was not at issue, but we don't get that info from a medical professional, just some team rep. It also goes on to say that some were never vax'd, but does not go to show any evidence to support that.

Let's pretend that everything your site says is true. We'll knock off 2 of my site's examples plus, what, half a dozen people...nah,I'll give you another full dozen. So we'll eliminate 15 people from the site as erroneous in some fashion.

That leaves (293 - 15 = 278) 278 incidents where athletes have keeled over do to serious cardiac events. I'll even pull all 15 of those from the deceased column as well for you which puts us as 152 dead as a result of these incidents. So...that's still a pretty big problem.

I've never been in favor of vax'ing for kids or young adults. There's too much risk for too little gain.
Actually it would eliminate all of the cases as erroneous.

See, a big part of that fact check was explaining that the sciencing site didn't establish causation between the vaccine and deaths. Because contrary to what sciencing attempted to suggest, correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
 

Wargamer08

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Actually it would eliminate all of the cases as erroneous.

See, a big part of that fact check was explaining that the sciencing site didn't establish causation between the vaccine and deaths. Because contrary to what sciencing attempted to suggest, correlation does not necessarily equal causation.
No but it highlights something that should be investigated. A massive increase in otherwise healthy athletes dying of illnesses never really seen before in that age group. What other factors link them?
 

Vaermina

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No but it highlights something that should be investigated. A massive increase in otherwise healthy athletes dying of illnesses never really seen before in that age group. What other factors link them?
Notice how the site in question only shows data for the single year?

They do that because they're disguising the actual statistics by limiting what we see to make it look like a statistical increase without providing actual evidence showing it as such.

Also fun fact, the first month of their data is a complete wash because outside of Hank Aaron none of those people would have been eligible to even receive the vaccine in their countries.
 
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