China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Tiamat

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Glad that some are finally bringing some sanity to this thread, or trying to at least. As a biomed tech working in a hospital, trust me, it's appreciated.

I may have said it already, but I'll say it again. Viruses worry me, but I think we'll be okay. People, however....people, to paraphrase a quote from Men in Black, are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and we know it. People that do rash, stupid things scare me. Let's not be dumb, panicky dangerous animals then, and be sensible about all this folks. Remember, good hygiene and taking care of oneself goes a LONG way.
 
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It’s natural for people to panic. It’s a survival mechanism after all.

But I think it’s best when people’s emotional responses are tempered with facts.

That way they don’t overreact. Or allow themselves to be manipulated through their fears.
 

Scottty

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This is...........
A medieval response but rather mild. They don't whip themselves, do bloodletting to relive their humors or blame the Jews to start pogrom.

In Iran they already do at least two out of three of those anyway.

This gets even worse! This thing is like a sci-fi pathogen, holy shit.
It could be behaving something like a bacteriophage and entering into a symbiotic relationship with your gut's own prevotella bacteria.

A virus that infects both bacteria and eukaryotic cells? :unsure:
 

Zachowon

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Yeah...and even after being told masks are useless, soldiers here in Korea are thinking it is cool
Glad that some are finally bringing some sanity to this thread, or trying to at least. As a biomed tech working in a hospital, trust me, it's appreciated.

I may have said it already, but I'll say it again. Viruses worry me, but I think we'll be okay. People, however....people, to paraphrase a quote from Men in Black, are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and we know it. People that do rash, stupid things scare me. Let's not be dumb, panicky dangerous animals then, and be sensible about all this folks. Remember, good hygiene and taking care of oneself goes a LONG way.
Oddly enough, it is pretty tame here where I am in Korea, with the virus being about
 

Terthna

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WHO Report of March 2, 2020.
Total number of cases (confirmed) in China - 80,174.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) in China - 2,915.
Total number of cases (confirmed) outside of China - 8,774.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) outside of China - 128.
This leads to a confirmed Death Rate in China of ~3% and a confirmed Death Rate outside of China of ~1%


In the United States, the CDC rates this years flu season as 'moderate to low, with a death rate of 6.9%, 32 million cases, 310,000 hospitalizations, and 18,000 deaths. This is not a flu epidemic year (below the threshold of 7.3%). Note that 125 of those deaths are pediatric.



The Boot is posting this to help quell the hair-on-fire panic mongering and conspiracy silliness that this thread seems especially prone to. The Boot is giving comparative information of this years US flu season to put the COVID-19 nonsense into perspective.
We're not stupid; we know what the official statistics say. Personally, I just don't believe they're at all accurate; China is definitely lying, and the WHO is notoriously corrupt. Besides; the simple fact of the matter is that not enough time has passed for any attempt at statistical analysis to have much weight, and trying to compare the Corona virus to the flu as things stand is just downright disingenuous. The flu is everywhere, the Corona virus isn't (yet).



Glad that some are finally bringing some sanity to this thread, or trying to at least. As a biomed tech working in a hospital, trust me, it's appreciated.

I may have said it already, but I'll say it again. Viruses worry me, but I think we'll be okay. People, however....people, to paraphrase a quote from Men in Black, are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and we know it. People that do rash, stupid things scare me. Let's not be dumb, panicky dangerous animals then, and be sensible about all this folks. Remember, good hygiene and taking care of oneself goes a LONG way.
Aside from perhaps TrainDodger, I'd argue this thread has acted perfectly sane thus far; and even he has managed to provide sufficient justification for his worry, from my perspective.



Honestly, the more I learn about the Corona virus, the more those insisting it isn't that big a deal sound like Leslie Nielsen's character from The Naked Gun:
 

Bacle

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WHO Report of March 2, 2020.
Total number of cases (confirmed) in China - 80,174.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) in China - 2,915.
Total number of cases (confirmed) outside of China - 8,774.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) outside of China - 128.
This leads to a confirmed Death Rate in China of ~3% and a confirmed Death Rate outside of China of ~1%


In the United States, the CDC rates this years flu season as 'moderate to low, with a death rate of 6.9%, 32 million cases, 310,000 hospitalizations, and 18,000 deaths. This is not a flu epidemic year (below the threshold of 7.3%). Note that 125 of those deaths are pediatric.



The Boot is posting this to help quell the hair-on-fire panic mongering and conspiracy silliness that this thread seems especially prone to. The Boot is giving comparative information of this years US flu season to put the COVID-19 nonsense into perspective.
With due respect, this is completely unhelpful.

A) It depends on trusting the numbers the CCP are giving out; everyone knows that they've been lying out there ass's about the actual number of cases and deaths.

B) The viral damage to fertility is a long term issue for even those who survive, and this completely ignores that danger.

C) Trying so hard to quell feeling of fear and worry using official mod font so soon after Zoe tried the same thing and ended up requesting a threadban doesn't help the optics.

You don't want a panic, we get it. But at the same time if the news we've been seeing is even close to accurate, people have legit reason to feel very worried.
 

Shipmaster Sane

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WHO Report of March 2, 2020.
Total number of cases (confirmed) in China - 80,174.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) in China - 2,915.
Total number of cases (confirmed) outside of China - 8,774.
Total number of deaths (confirmed) outside of China - 128.
This leads to a confirmed Death Rate in China of ~3% and a confirmed Death Rate outside of China of ~1%


In the United States, the CDC rates this years flu season as 'moderate to low, with a death rate of 6.9%, 32 million cases, 310,000 hospitalizations, and 18,000 deaths. This is not a flu epidemic year (below the threshold of 7.3%). Note that 125 of those deaths are pediatric.



The Boot is posting this to help quell the hair-on-fire panic mongering and conspiracy silliness that this thread seems especially prone to. The Boot is giving comparative information of this years US flu season to put the COVID-19 nonsense into perspective.
To be clear, is "This is all nonsense conspiracy theories thread full of hair on fire crazy panic" Your personal stance or an official moderator position?
 

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A) It depends on trusting the numbers the CCP are giving out; everyone knows that they've been lying out there ass's about the actual number of cases and deaths.
Speaking of CCP lying out their asses:
Amid a national lockdown, desperate patients, anger at a cover-up, an economic crisis, and a virus breaking beyond its own borders, the Chinese government’s priorities were clear: It was time to publish a glossy book on how wonderful Beijing’s handling of the virus has been.
 

Isem

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Speaking of CCP lying out their asses:
Even though I know most of that is meant to be internal propaganda I can't help but laugh at how China seems to think this is somehow going to manage to let it salvage it's reputation with foreigners. Even without it's citizens leaking images and videos like a sieve printing blatant propaganda literally mid epidemic doesn't work when people can literally see the disruption the epidemic is causing you.
 

Zachowon

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If the virus was as bad as some people were making it...the US military here in korea would do a lot worse stuff. And be testing every single person on base.
 

Arch Dornan

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Some very supportive doomers but I doubt they think this will affect them. The Corona virus doesn't discriminate.
 

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So apparently the reason our government agency has no adequate protection (masks, hot water, sanitizer) and behavioral guidelines is that... nobody has yet raised hell about these things? 🤬 No really, it seems nobody of the rank and file bothered to open their mouths and complain about the danger that whole things posed to employees and asylum applicants.I'm not sure who I'm more mad about right now: myself, for only opening my trap now (well, last week monday for the first time, to be precise, but the real game changer happened today); everybody else of the 10.000 other employees blithely trudging on, being passive sheep; or leadership - the ones actually paid to prepare and plan for these things - doing nothing!?!

Well, turns out that all you needed to get the ball rolling was good ol' Culsu making it clear to the local department head that he would no longer take on cases that showed clear signs of sickness and/or came illegally from high-risk zones like Italy or affected nations like Iran. And lo and behold, twenty minutes later: "We're getting you FFP3 masks and are completely redoing our take-in process." Nice. Now give me your salaries, 'cause I'm apparently doing half the stuff you're being paid for...
 
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Marduk

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I have a theory on why Iran may be getting hit unusually bad - it's the world leader in...
drug addiction. Yeah, you wouldn't expect it from a friggin middle eastern theocracy, but it's true.
According to UN figures, some 2.2 percent of Iranian adults are addicted to drugs, the highest rate in the world. Experts elsewhere say that number could be much higher, reaching 5 percent of the total Iranian population, the Globe and Mail reported. That would mean of roughly 80 million Iranians, 4 million are hooked on drugs.
I don't know how bad this stuff is for immune systems, but it's certainly not good, and also there is the shisha smoking factor, probably makes lungs more vulnerable too...
So that would be additional 2-5% of mostly young population being unusually vulnerable to the virus.
 

DarthOne

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I have a theory on why Iran may be getting hit unusually bad - it's the world leader in...
drug addiction. Yeah, you wouldn't expect it from a friggin middle eastern theocracy, but it's true.

I don't know how bad this stuff is for immune systems, but it's certainly not good, and also there is the shisha smoking factor, probably makes lungs more vulnerable too...
So that would be additional 2-5% of mostly young population being unusually vulnerable to the virus.
Would also explain why China is getting hit so hard on top of everything else. I can’t imagine all that air pollution is good for people’s lungs.
 

Zachowon

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So apparently the reason our government agency has no adequate protection (masks, hot water, sanitizer) and behavioral guidelines is that... nobody has yet raised hell about these things? 🤬 No really, it seems nobody of the rank and file bothered to open their mouths and complain about the danger that whole things posed to employees and asylum applicants.I'm not sure who I'm more mad about right now: myself, for only opening my trap now (well, last week monday for the first time, to be precise, but the real game changer happened today); everybody else of the 10.000 other employees blithely trudging on, being passive sheep; or leadership - the ones actually paid to prepare and plan for these things - doing nothing!?!

Well, turns out that all you needed to get the ball rolling was good ol' Culsu making it clear to the local department head that he would no longer take on cases that showed clear signs of sickness and/or came illegally from high-risk zones like Italy or affected nations like Iran. And lo and behold, twenty minutes later: "We're getting you FFP3 masks and are completely redoing our take-in process." Nice. Now give me your salaries, 'cause I'm apparently doing half the stuff you're being paid for...
I hate to break it, only full body hazmat and Jsuits would work... so gas masks dont work the best
 

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