I'm not either, that's my point.
Ye Are Gods (Sign-up and OOC)
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So anything I miss? Been falling behind as I figure things out.
Grav
A confused leftist
Just figuring out races.
Naga The Serpent
Well-known member
Uh, everything.
But mostly about what falls under Yukitama's domain (Things that aren't the chosen race of Gods it seems).
In general, I'm worried about people trying to sidestep or mundane other people's domains.
Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Ya, the rest of them were backups if the ones carrying the lens got tired or died, such as by godly assault
Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
He killed a few random Kobolds based on the fluff idea that they were trespassing. That is the event that transpired. Anything more is your own bias.
They are random unnamed Kobold souls. They are narratively speaking limitless and mundane. An avatar wasn't attacked, nor was a Hero, or even a named character. A God is absolutely justified in not caring about them at all aside from the possibility messing with them may anger another. Much less to the God that manages literally countless more species. From an IC perspective that's not condescension, that's just reality.
They narratively don't mean much of anything aside from at most a justifiable minor grudge against the one who blasted them.
This is expected and normal from the Gods. They rub each other wrong all the time, and it shouldn't be something worth an OOC fuss. If Koy is feeling that bad he can go and raid Tauphys' domain. That's a day one mechanic that absolutely exists, and it can be settled IC. It's not a discussion that has any place or relevance in the OOC, much less as fuel for attacking another player.
To me it seems like someone feels attacked based on Yuki's post, and they're being very roundabout in how they're reacting and saying it. If there's a problem they should come out and just say it so it can be resolved.
I'm saying that Yuki put forward the world building concept that only those representing a Gods authority should be allowed in our Mount Olympus God meeting room. They based this idea off of an idea the GM somewhat implied. As their God is a stickler for Hierarchy and following rules, he enforced those rules.
This is the actual point of contention, because you're claiming that isn't a rule. If it wasn't a rule, he probably wouldn't have killed a couple Kobolds.
However the argument has devolved into Koy's feelings being hurt, which frankly has no place here. That's something to be settled IC, and it comes off as if some of you have been pretty tilted OOC by IC actions that should be settled IC.
It was a keypoint in the discussion put forward, which itself ended up being nothing more than an attack on Yukitama and their character. Shockingly, it seems as though this attack may have been connected to a certain group of people disliking Yukitama's in character actions rather than there being an actual problem.
Beyond even that, this has revealed a lot of disturbing trends when it comes to certain players aligning together against people they may not particularly like. Or perhaps better put IC actions they don't like.
Especially when the entire discussion was built on misinformation put forward by said people- leading to this massive and derailing debate. This was either a OOC response to Yukitama's IC actions, or some people are really bad at reading and interacting with other players.
Both are very much issues that will come up again if we don't address them now. This is not a problem(And that is absolutely what this is) that'll get better by ignoring what just happened.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Bickering about wether Tauphys killed Kobolds and that makes him a meanie or whatever is entirely secondary to the important matter of wether or not we can create tree and animal monsters without Tauphys' involvement. I have no idea why this is even being discussed.
To be clear, I am greatly entertained by the IC actions here and what they spell for the future. I take zero issue with those. I would also say that you dont get exactly what happened if you believe that this is a minor slight. These are not random Kobolds, this was not a minor incident. This is going to have massive implications that I cannot wait to see unfold.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
I for one am thrilled that dramas seem to be developing naturalistically out of the elements at work, but I feel that actually talking about the various developing conflicts at length is going to stifle that natural development.
Nah fair enough.
Naga The Serpent
Well-known member
I think we mostly agreed that its fine to have like, your chosen race, but extras might have to go through Tauphys. Which makes sense, considering its literally what he does, and to do otherwise is just sidestepping his domain.
Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
Please try to read the content of my posts in the future.
It was used as an argument against Yukitama's character, which inflated into a digression. I noted how the issue had become a digression and even put Irrelevant Argument on it, in spoilers.
I then further went on to explain how it may be related to how the fake argument about Yukitama controlling all life may have been based on a players feelings being hurt in the IC, causing a group to take OOC actions in reaction.
You're backtracking. This argument was never about the creation of tree folk or animal-kin. It'd be silly if it was. It was about this.
Its never been something asserted at any point. Yukitama has just reached out over DMs and the OOC to arrange mutual race creation with various people.
This is a complete non-argument with no basis. Either someone isn't reading sheets and just not asking people questions or possibly a group of people are attacking Yukitama OOC for IC actions. Either is valid at this point, but it's definitely one of them.
Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Goodness no need to be catty.
In other words a GM made an argument you feel should be disregarded. Fantastic, disregard it.
Ah so one person, uninvolved, made an argument you found to be Fallacious, therefore the other people making separate arguments are somehow invalid because... you just believe everyone must be arguing in bad faith.
hahahaha what? I aint backtracking, this is my first post since thats what the argument is about, and it's still the only argument I'm interested in.
Someone said "I'm going to make ents" and someone else said "Hey I have a problem with that"
That conflict is literally all I give so much as a used fig about, and it's really all we should be discussing.
A GM and others in the thread seemed to (or explicitly did) take a stance that because Tauphys was lord of beasts, no one should create any "beast races" without his involvement. This was a problem for many, including a GM.
You can kindly stow your accusations of bad faith, the only one who even made an argument based on what happened IC was a third party GM, not the players in the origional argument (themselves not party to the IC happenings anyway), nor the separate player who was involved in the IC drama.
We can chill out a bit. This is all over some misunderstandings of a character that has been covered already.
Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
It was a request to read my post because you probably didn't read my post.
Bickering about wether Tauphys killed Kobolds and that makes him a meanie or whatever is entirely secondary to the important matter of wether or not we can create tree and animal monsters without Tauphys' involvement. I have no idea why this is even being discussed.
These are your words on his input.
I think you're confused about what I did here. I spoiled my own argument as something to be disregarded since it was digressing from the main issue.
It's a non-argument that never needed to be a discussion. You were never approached by Yukitama about your sheet containing beast or tree people, nor were the other people who used beast or tree people.
The only person Yukitama approached about overlap was when someone was applying Ents and Plant(Not-Fungi) people.
Yukitama's God has the domain over nature and is a literal tree-man.
It was already agreed between players that Yuki would get Ents, and they absolutely should if they so desire. They're a giant tree God whose domain is nature. There's nothing really to debate there. Its been resolved, so please let that much go.
No, I will not. The likely suspects who created this entire issue out of <absolutely nothing> (And that is exactly what it is) are becoming deep allies within the IC itself, attacking the same player OOC, and liking each others argument posts in the OOC.
That is concerning, and it goes beyond bad faith.
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Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
Yeah, made a lot of baseless accusations.
"The logic of one argument that is accepted doesn't obviously apply to other situations!"
and it's nice that you're acting as though several people did not volunteer arguments congruent to what I said by pretending that the only person who can argue about the implications of a person's sheet is... themselves? I guess?
I mean its not like we had a GM make statements with implications outside that issue, or anything, oh... wait, shit we did.
Well, look, you can continue to shriek nonsense all you want, I cant actually force you to stop.
You can, but you shouldn't.
Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
I'm going to have to withdrawl from this roleplay, considering the situation it's in. I just can't handle cliques using OOC pressure to dominate the IC like this. It just reeks of bad faith, and is extremely obvious. I do hate to do this, but as my sheet is incomplete it should be easy to partition my domains up among the remaining players. I'd appreciate it if my sheet and all that was in it was retired, however.
I just hope others acknowledge the issues those parties are trying to suppress for their own ends. One player was already attacked by that group, and it will continue. I don't doubt that.
@GravitysMomentum If you want my Death domain take it, but it's ultimately up to the GMs of course. I did reccomend that you have it over DMs with @almostinsane .
I don't think Ash has a place here, perhaps the Bird could use it.
@RandomNormie If you want my Forge domain take it, but again it's up to the GMs at the end of the day. I did reccomend that you have it over a DM with @almostinsane .
See you guys around, and it was fun while I was here.
I just hope others acknowledge the issues those parties are trying to suppress for their own ends. One player was already attacked by that group, and it will continue. I don't doubt that.
@GravitysMomentum If you want my Death domain take it, but it's ultimately up to the GMs of course. I did reccomend that you have it over DMs with @almostinsane .
I don't think Ash has a place here, perhaps the Bird could use it.
@RandomNormie If you want my Forge domain take it, but again it's up to the GMs at the end of the day. I did reccomend that you have it over a DM with @almostinsane .
See you guys around, and it was fun while I was here.
Look, ship was subject to a whole host of people doing that several pages ago, those guys liked each others posts and there can be alliances found there too in the IC. It doesn't mean they are all now allied against him or there is any faction or coordination between those players or clique with them. It means people took concerns with what his character sheet may imply in relation to their own gods and civilizations. The same thing happened here with Yukitama and different players had different concerns.
All of this is a by product of 50 pages of OOC and 22 players. This is a massive group, it can be difficult to follow or know everything and its a very loose game. That comes with it some complications and issues that arise from either vague wordings or misunderstandings. There isn't a reason to start throwing accusations that are frankly kind of baseless at this moment.
I also asked for a chill. Just a bit would be nice.
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