Your favourite interstellar state and why

Aldarion

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So what is your favourite interstellar polity in SF and why?

Mine is Imperium of Man, for a simple reason: it is based on Empire from Warhammer fantasy, which itself is based off the Holy Roman Empire. And due to original lineup of Games Workshop having been historical nerds, the Empire - and thus Imperium of Man - is a much closer and more faithful reproduction of the Holy Roman Empire in particular and feudal state in general than most examples seen in historical fiction (or even histories).

Basically, Imperium of Man is a feudal state throughout and throughout. Rather than a modern idea of a unitary state, IoM is a confederation of several major organizations and a million settled worlds. Worlds are allowed to govern themselves - basic policy is "pay the tithe, send your psykers over, and don't make me come over there". Most worlds have their own culture, laws, government, social order and ideology, with only worship of the Emperor being mandatory - essentially, Imperium affords more freedom to its constitutents than European Union does. Planets pay tithe, which if taken literally would mean a tax rate of 10% - about the same as US federal tax, I believe, so even that is not very much. On the flip side, it does have tendency to murder xenos - but even that has relaxed significantly since the Great Crusade era, as modern-day IoM does not have resources to do anything but defend against various threats (and fact is that most xenos - with the exception of Eldar - truly are a potentially existential threat, so even Imperium's "kill xeno on sight" policy is far more than just sheer speciesism).

In fact, when I thought about my ideal interstellar state (I might make a thread about it someday), it ended up basically Imperium of Man without me aiming for it: mostly self-governing worlds with full internal autonomy, and imperial government only taking care of defence, interstellar services (security) and interplanetary judicial matters (disputes etc).
 

Husky_Khan

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The Brutes, they are such an evolved species.



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As for the Sangheili...



Well it can be forgiven. Sangheili are clearly so masculine that they follow the classical Hellenic tradition (really a foundational value of Western Civilization) in pursuing other males as long as it's only for pleasure and they are comparatively effeminate.

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I’d say the Old Republic. Just for its long lasting nature.

Was formed(in the old EU) in 25,053 BBY. Dissolved in 19 BBY.

That’s 25,034 years.

That is an epic scale of you really think about it.

And it was a human dominated polity, but was also very diverse. It survived countless wars and disasters, a take over from a fanatical religious sect, a thousand year period of war and dark age, and many wars between core worlds.
 

Lord Sovereign

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In fact, when I thought about my ideal interstellar state (I might make a thread about it someday), it ended up basically Imperium of Man without me aiming for it: mostly self-governing worlds with full internal autonomy, and imperial government only taking care of defence, interstellar services (security) and interplanetary judicial matters (disputes etc).

The Imperium isn't actually as shit as many give it credit for. I mean, Exterminatus is a literal last resort that buries the Inquisitor who ordered it in paperwork, and Emperor help them if they were mistaken. Not to mention, the Imperium can and will evacuate civilians if they can.

For the most "bloody and cruel regime imaginable", the Imperium strikes me more as the NCR of Fallout New Vegas in an eldritch horror setting: they're the "we're doing our best" faction.
 
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I’ve not read the books but that faction in the Xelee verse-the one that sends literal child soldiers against a type four civilization? The Interim Coalition of Governance.

Those guys make the imperium look like the federation.

Looking at the wiki-damn that’s a fucked up setting.
 

Aldarion

Neoreactionary Monarchist
The Imperium isn't actually as shit as many give it credit for. I mean, Exterminatus is a literal last resort that buries the Inquisitor who ordered it in paperwork, and Emperor help them if they were mistaken. Not to mention, the Imperium can and will evacuate civilians if they can.

For the most "bloody and cruel regime imaginable", the Imperium strikes me more as the NCR of Fallout New Vegas in an eldritch horror setting: they're the "we're doing out best" faction.

Exactly. In fact, most of the grimdark stuff which Imperium does is either due to incompetence (blowing up planets, slave labour instead of technology), lack of resources (slave labour), desperation, or situation simply being that bad. Imperium does horrible stuff because it has to, it is the only way they see to live another day. Compare this to governments which do even worse things basically for lulz, and Imperium suddenly starts looking like actually being a not that bad place to live.
 

Lord Sovereign

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Then again, I’d rather be an imperial citizen on Coruscant than live in a Hive World, and would choose the former every time.

Most planets in the Imperium (or, "normal") are essentially 21st century Earth, just with superior technology and a good, Emperor fearing, population. Even the more backwards worlds can be nice places to live. For example, Lost Tanith doesn't sound like a ruinous pile of shit. On further inspection, Courscant is probably about as unpleasant as Mordian on its lower levels.

And on one of these worlds? You don't have to worry about ISB breathing down your neck as the Imperium is not a totalitarian state like the Empire, but instead feudal. Planetary government really couldn't give less of a shit what you do in your private time. The Inquisition only tends to make an appearance when some weirdo down the road fapped with barbed wire and summoned a Daemon or two, and that is quite unlikely. The most you know of "there is no peace among the stars" is your world paying its tithe.

Life in the Imperium, I'm surprised to say, is probably more bearable than many realise.
 

PsihoKekec

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Mine is Federated Suns in the BattleTech. And honestly at first I liked them for their dedication to combined arms tactic. But later on I came to appreciate fairly hands off treatment of their worlds and citizens, being an even handed mix of freedoms (unlike their neighbors) and efficiency (unlike FWL). In general, fairly good place to live, even if some worlds are rather poor.
 
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GoldRanger

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Dont be ashamed, no human has read the Xelee novels, it's just something people mumble about in VS debates.
Well, I've read... One of those. It didn't feature the Xeelee themselves in any way, just set in the same universe and featured one of their Nightfighters, and it was so-so.
 

ATP

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Jurai from "Tenchi Muyo" anime.They are so silly powerfull,that all they could care is love affair of Emperor doughter.
 

Navarro

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The Imperium isn't actually as shit as many give it credit for. I mean, Exterminatus is a literal last resort that buries the Inquisitor who ordered it in paperwork, and Emperor help them if they were mistaken. Not to mention, the Imperium can and will evacuate civilians if they can.

For the most "bloody and cruel regime imaginable", the Imperium strikes me more as the NCR of Fallout New Vegas in an eldritch horror setting: they're the "we're doing our best" faction.

But you see, there was this one tiny star nation during the Great Crusade (that were so naive about Chaos they put a daemon sword in a glass case in a museum) that ended up committing suicide-by-Astartes and getting squashed like a bug, so the Imperium is useless and doesn't need to exist!
 

Lord Sovereign

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But you see, there was this one tiny star nation during the Great Crusade (that were so naive about Chaos they put a daemon sword in a glass case in a museum) that ended up committing suicide-by-Astartes and getting squashed like a bug, so the Imperium is useless and doesn't need to exist!

Some people really just don't get how bad Chaos is. This actually ties in with more recent views of the Emperor really becoming hostile. I mean, Jesus Christ, to be an Emperor in such a time requires you to do brutal things because you live in a brutal age. No one bitches about Julius Caesar pacifying Gaul, but Aaron Dembski Bowden can't put his hate boner away for the Emperor if his life depended on it.
 

Navarro

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Some people really just don't get how bad Chaos is.

We are literally talking about a cosmic evil that spreads (among other means) by memetic infection, enslaves people's souls (more fundamental than any form of bondage in the Imperium), dissolves the very structure of reality, and has destroyed entire universes. It's on par with the very worst that the SCP Foundation faces, and no-one argues that their methods are unjustified.

This actually ties in with more recent views of the Emperor really becoming hostile. I mean, Jesus Christ, to be an Emperor in such a time requires you to do brutal things because you live in a brutal age. No one bitches about Julius Caesar pacifying Gaul, but Aaron Dembski Bowden can't put his hate boner away for the Emperor if his life depended on it.

Not to mention that Emps spent 38,000 years before deciding to go in and start cracking heads. That's the very picture of restraint for a man with such incredible power.
 
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