United States Anti-Semitism in the United States (and elsewhere)

[Captain X]

Now we get to see if Hamas or Native American Rights/Voices matter more to the Left.

I know that answer all too well, considering how the Left, at best, tends to forget we even exist unless they can use us like a club against their enemies. I've also seen how they act when a Native doesn't have the thoughts and opinions they think we should have. The footage we see here is a great example of that. They honestly think we would be united with them when Islam would erase the remnants of Native culture and religion. They will also constantly bring up "stolen land" and "colonists" when they themselves effectively colonize and steal land. They will invoke all of the Americas as Native land, but the second any of us takes them up on that and include them as not being welcome (or in this case get specific about them in particular not being welcome), well, they attack, verbally, physically, or both.

I kind of admire them for their courage, but part of me wishes they'd been better fighters, too.

 

[S'task]

I know that answer all too well, considering how the Left, at best, tends to forget we even exist unless they can use us like a club against their enemies. I've also seen how they act when a Native doesn't have the thoughts and opinions they think we should have. The footage we see here is a great example of that. They honestly think we would be united with them when Islam would erase the remnants of Native culture and religion. They will also constantly bring up "stolen land" and "colonists" when they themselves effectively colonize and steal land. They will invoke all of the Americas as Native land, but the second any of us takes them up on that and include them as not being welcome (or in this case get specific about them in particular not being welcome), well, they attack, verbally, physically, or both.

I kind of admire them for their courage, but part of me wishes they'd been better fighters, too.

It's also kinda funny when you think about it, the claim that all the US is on "stolen land" in effect denies the agency and sovereignty of American Indians to have either sold land to the original colonists, or to enter into treaties that ceded land and recognized borders... yes, certainly some land was stolen and conquered, but other land was bought, traded for, or ceded in much more legitimate exchanges...

 

[Marduk]

It's also kinda funny when you think about it, the claim that all the US is on "stolen land" in effect denies the agency and sovereignty of American Indians to have either sold land to the original colonists, or to enter into treaties that ceded land and recognized borders... yes, certainly some land was stolen and conquered, but other land was bought, traded for, or ceded in much more legitimate exchanges...

The other problem is that the American Indians were never some sort of ethnocultural collective group like the leftist narrative implies it to be...

They are divided in tribes, who each had their own land (if they were not nomadic that is, as some tribes were) and would often fight with other tribes over such claims, which combined with their obviously lacking attention to bureaucracy, courts and record keeping, creates a rather nightmarish situation regarding even trying to attribute which land would legitimately belong to who, and why would conquests of tribe A against tribe B who in turn took land from tribe C who are gone before the settlers even arrived now be more legitimate than conquests of European settlers against tribe A or B, and that could all apply to the same piece of land.
What makes the European's conquests less legitimate than Comanche's conquests or Aztec's conquests?

This cannot be argued without defaulting to some sort of "right to land" that is carried by a specific, hard to measure degree of ethnic proximity, being inside of which legitimizes even raw conquests, but being outside of which makes even treaties and sales invalid, and we know well that the very same people would throw an antiracist fit if someone went to London and said that every non-European there is living on stolen land, even those who didn't get welfare and social housing ;D.

 

[49ersfootball]

Standing with Israel all the way including the Jewish American community.

 

[Zachowon]

To the Victor's go the spoils.

 

[Scottty]

You know what thats a good point we really shouldn't ever let the Palastinians have their own country.

If they did get one of those, what would they do with it?

 

[Cherico]

If they did get one of those, what would they do with it?

become a terrorist state, and an international pain in everyones ass.

 

[Von_Lohengram]

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Someone at UCLA set up a giant screen across from the protesters with the October 7th attack playing on loop

Just outside of the Hamasjugend-Camps showing the footage and blaring the "ambient sound" of the massacres from the loudspeakers.

 

[Scottty]

become a terrorist state, and an international pain in everyones ass.

Quite likely.
What I suspect is that if the Israelis all suddenly disappeared off to another dimension or something, and the Palestinians had the land they claim to themselves... they would not know what to do with it.
Rather than trying to develop and use it like the Israelis do, they would mostly wander off to find other people they could threaten and demand hand-outs from.

 

[Cherico]

Quite likely.
What I suspect is that if the Israelis all suddenly disappeared off to another dimension or something, and the Palestinians had the land they claim to themselves... they would not know what to do with it.
Rather than trying to develop and use it like the Israelis do, they would mostly wander off to find other people they could threaten and demand hand-outs from.

yeah sounds about right, I think that if that happened Jordon would probally invade.

 

[ATP]

Quite likely.
What I suspect is that if the Israelis all suddenly disappeared off to another dimension or something, and the Palestinians had the land they claim to themselves... they would not know what to do with it.
Rather than trying to develop and use it like the Israelis do, they would mostly wander off to find other people they could threaten and demand hand-outs from.

Jerusalem is holy place for muslims,too,oher muslim countries would take it,maybe even we have muslim uncivil war about it !
Well,it is holy place for us,christians,too - but i do not see any christians fighting for anything now.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

I fancy they would become another Zimbabwe, and the media would collectively memory hole the entire affair.

That may actually still happen. South Africa had nukes, military superiority, and good relations with all major nations. That still didn't save them.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Jerusalem is holy place for muslims,too,oher muslim countries would take it,maybe even we have muslim uncivil war about it !
Well,it is holy place for us,christians,too - but i do not see any christians fighting for anything now.

I present as a counter-example, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jersusalem. Six separate Christian denominations "share" the church with such vehemently aggressive territoriality that there is an infamous ladder against one of the walls that has been sitting there since the early 18th century. Note, this ladder is of ABSOLUTELY NO religious importance in any way, shape, or form; it's literally an old work ladder. It is literally just that everyone wants it moved, but no one wants to allow anyone else to move it.

Back in 2008, a physical brawl erupted over a Coptic monk moving the chair he was sitting in by a distance of 20 centimeters; this was seen as an act of aggression by the Ethiopian monks with a rival claim on that section of the church's roof, so every single member of both of these two orders immediately started beating the shit out of each other to the point where eleven monks had to be hospitalized.

 

[ATP]

I present as a counter-example, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jersusalem. Six separate Christian denominations "share" the church with such vehemently aggressive territoriality that there is an infamous ladder against one of the walls that has been sitting there since the early 18th century. Note, this ladder is of ABSOLUTELY NO religious importance in any way, shape, or form; it's literally an old work ladder. It is literally just that everyone wants it moved, but no one wants to allow anyone else to move it.

Back in 2008, a physical brawl erupted over a Coptic monk moving the chair he was sitting in by a distance of 20 centimeters; this was seen as an act of aggression by the Ethiopian monks with a rival claim on that section of the church's roof, so every single member of both of these two orders immediately started beating the shit out of each other to the point where eleven monks had to be hospitalized.

That.We speak about monks.No state would follow those fights.Becouse there is no more christian states here and now.
When muslims still belive - not only masses,but also leaders.

 

[Scottty]

Note, this ladder is of ABSOLUTELY NO religious importance in any way, shape, or form; it's literally an old work ladder. It is literally just that everyone wants it moved, but no one wants to allow anyone else to move it.

Maybe they need to convene an Ecumenical Council to decide the matter.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Maybe they need to convene an Ecumenical Council to decide the matter.

Further Ecumenical Smash Bros is more likely...

 

[ShadowArxxy]

That.We speak about monks.No state would follow those fights.Becouse there is no more christian states here and now.
When muslims still belive - not only masses,but also leaders.

Only two of the six factions involved are monastic orders, and ironically, the peace between them was set down by a decree from the Ottoman sultan Osman III, who basically said that all six factions had to agree to make any changes from then on. This ended up being part of the cause for the Crimean War, with both France and Russia's declared reasons for war being to take over the Church of the Holy Sepulchure on behalf of their respective state churches.

 

[Captain X]

Brilliant! Let me know if there's a way to donate:

Someone at UCLA set up a giant screen across from the protesters with the October 7th attack playing on loop

Just outside of the Hamasjugend-Camps showing the footage and blaring the "ambient sound" of the massacres from the loudspeakers.

Hopefully someone is there to guard them or the nutters might just vandalize them.

 

[Terthna]

I present as a counter-example, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jersusalem. Six separate Christian denominations "share" the church with such vehemently aggressive territoriality that there is an infamous ladder against one of the walls that has been sitting there since the early 18th century. Note, this ladder is of ABSOLUTELY NO religious importance in any way, shape, or form; it's literally an old work ladder. It is literally just that everyone wants it moved, but no one wants to allow anyone else to move it.

Back in 2008, a physical brawl erupted over a Coptic monk moving the chair he was sitting in by a distance of 20 centimeters; this was seen as an act of aggression by the Ethiopian monks with a rival claim on that section of the church's roof, so every single member of both of these two orders immediately started beating the shit out of each other to the point where eleven monks had to be hospitalized.

Christians beating other Christians over a moved chair; I'd argue that sums up the stark and irreconcilable divide between the various denominations pretty well.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Christians beating other Christians over a moved chair; I'd argue that sums up the stark and irreconcilable divide between the various denominations pretty well.

Yea. The six factions have literally been at this tremendously unbrotherly behavior for centuries, over which time they have collectively produced an insanely complex mess of overlapping territorial claims on not only the physical space but also the *religious ceremonies and observations* of the church. It is completely bizarre to anyone outside of the participants in the deadly-serious spat.