Megadeath
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How you "debate" fits the mold assigned to "leftists" by a big part of this site. Funnily enough, the same mold with a few different values plugged in pretty much fits how other sites see what they call fascists. The petty name calling, evasiveness, what-aboutism, dog whistles, non-sequitors, complete disregard for alternate points of view, etc.Oh, really?
Because I support redistribution and leftoid colelctivism?
I do not.
Because I support woke shit?
Wanna show me where?
Because I support the green stupidity?
Show me where!
I am at least in support of cancel culture and the trans crap as is evident here now, can we get back on topic, since your baseless cries of "leftist" are blatantly false and don't work?
Also, might I remind you that the woke and the liberals and the left support Ukraine, too?
In reality, there's shitty debaters and shitty people with all sorts of beliefs. But funnily enough, when people insist in seeing the world in black and white they always attribute the worst people to being part of the "other".
Another good example of attempted genocide would be the treatment of Australian aboriginal people for the longest time. Wether they were being murdered in wars, or "mercifully" kidnapped from their parents to be raised "properly" by the state, it was a protracted effort to eliminate them as a people. You also left off the super obvious example of the holocaust, but I assume that's just because it was so blatant and obvious.Personally, I've never held that forceful change of culture = genocide. Normal genocide is death/rape in near total (or the attempt of it). Cultural genocide is thus the complete eradication of the previous culture, and everything it stood for. So yes, the humanity declaration was bad. But it wasn't linked with a thousand other things to purposefully kill off the culture such as banning Taoism & Buddhism, especially Zen Buddhism, the destruction of shinto shrines, forceful movement outside of the main islands, etc. You'd need a lot of stuff to make it qualify. Basically there's a really high bar to meet here. Kidnapping and reeducation meets it (or at least meets attempting it).
Notably, kidnapping and reeducation has been tried in the past (notably the US government and native Americans), and I'd say that comes pretty close to qualifying as an attempt.
Apologies for the lack of a precise definition, but I think to start let's establish some examples of what we can all agree are and aren't cultural genocides.
I'd say classic examples are the CCP in Tibet and with the Uighurs, US with the Native Americans when it came to the Indian schools, and various medieval powers forcibly converting Jews.
Non-examples would be the Brits conquering India, US treatment of black citizens post civil war (awful, not genocide though), and the example you just gave with Japan.
If there's no one left who would consider themselves a part of the Ukrainian people, that would be total cultural destruction. When the Russians attempt to bring that about, it's obviously attempted cultural destruction. That they have such scope and that they're doing it through force and violence, to my mind, makes it attempted genocide.That’s why I asked mega to give a definition of culture destruction? If the Russian and Ukrainian cultures are so similar they have same religion same food same cultural clothes and their language is also similar what does it take to consider it destroyed?
Cultural destruction isn't always total, and isn't always bad. Wiping the entirety of nazi culture from Germany was obviously cultural destruction and equally obviously a good thing. It left intact however the majority of German culture. So it wasn't total cultural destruction of the German people. The way it was prosecuted, and the limited goals, to my mind preclude it being genocide.
Also, still not clear why you asked me off all people to define a term I didn't use.