Before back up they were getting beaten by Cinder and her team in vol 5.Such as when?
Floppy arm was kicking thier ass early on. I don't count adam.. no one should
The giant mech. The final fight here.
Before back up they were getting beaten by Cinder and her team in vol 5.Such as when?
I have tk say.Unsorted train of thought.
Huh, looks like RT is manufacturing a detour for our intrepid heroes. That has the potential to be interesting with the constricted cast, but we'll see. Probably just an excuse to milk another season out of the series. I'm surprised no one tried to deal with Cinder's new remote explosion trick by, I don't know, punching her in the face. That was a really unsatisfying fight. Does Atlas have more than two Hunter teams? I'm pretty ambivalent about Penny dying. On one hand Penny died, on the other hand I like Winter as the Winter Lady better for thematic OCD purposes, and on the third foot I really don't have an emotional investment in any of the characters that didn't fall into the abyss. Flipping a coin to see if Ironwood makes it out. I know RT decided to do his character dirty, but if they're gonna redeem Emerald (still angry) I think that Ironwood deserves a chance to punch Cinder in her stupid face.
Final score 2/5. They found an eight ball under the desk to improve the writing from time to time and there were a few decent fights, but I still don't care about anyone outside of Jaune and Ruby. The plot progressed and I'm actually curious about what happened to the six people that fell. Well done RT, I still await the day your company fails and the Blood Gulch Chronicles become public domain.
I am well aware of what Monty was responsible for, but I'm going to be honest with you; outside of animating fight scenes, Monty was a hack. RWBY was probably never going to be more than a mediocre show under his watch; but had he lived and seen things through to the end, it might have taught him some well-needed lessons so that his next project could have been better.Oh trust me.
I hate killing of characters.
What I seem to have to get across when people say this.
Pyrrha was planned to die from the day the hired Jen Brown to voice her.
That aspect of volume 3 was always planned ahead of.
That's right, it was the great Monty's plan to kill of Pyrrha.
In fact, from what I gather having talked to cast and crew. Vol 1 through 3 were basically all of Monty's plans.
The show had its up and downs. 4 and 5 were....
The worst of the series with 6 7 and definitely 8 being a major improvement.
I get character deaths are never wanted, but woth a few exceptions, they have improved on how they go about it.
I am done with my argument fir it. Just wanted to put my two cents in.
Having a plan, and sticking to said plan, does not excuse that plan being stupid.Miles and Kerry and a few of the other writers are pretty good.
They sometimes listen to the FNDM instead of the actual fans. Aka Bumblebee.
But Pyrrhas death was planned from day 1. Jen Briwn confirmed this.
Spoiler yhis people damn.I am sorry, but I laughed when I heard they killed Penny again. It is just so stupid, and of course immediately reminded me of Kenny on South Park and him dying repeatedly.
"OH MY GOD THEY KILLED PENNY! You bastards!"
In addition, Ironwood did nothing wrong.
Agreed, though I do think that had Monty not died that the show would have been more fun to watch. At the very least the fights would be better. That said, some of the behind-the-scenes stuff I've heard makes me wonder if Monty would have stuck around much longer (EDIT) at RT.I am well aware of what Monty was responsible for, but I'm going to be honest with you; outside of animating fight scenes, Monty was a hack. RWBY was probably never going to be more than a mediocre show under his watch; but had he lived and seen things through to the end, it might have taught him some well-needed lessons so that his next project could have been better.
Having a plan, and sticking to said plan, does not excuse that plan being stupid.
Before back up they were getting beaten by Cinder and her team in vol 5.
Floppy arm was kicking thier ass early on. I don't count adam.. no one should
The giant mech. The final fight here.
I am sorry, but I laughed when I heard they killed Penny again. It is just so stupid, and of course immediately reminded me of Kenny on South Park and him dying repeatedly.
"OH MY GOD THEY KILLED PENNY! You bastards!"
In addition, Ironwood did nothing wrong.
I am well aware of what Monty was responsible for, but I'm going to be honest with you; outside of animating fight scenes, Monty was a hack. RWBY was probably never going to be more than a mediocre show under his watch
See, I think it could have delivered, had the writers been more experienced and pragmatic about the direction the story took. Not to mention taking time off to plan things out better and thinking things through.This has to be reemphasized.
I think RWBY's failure comes from promising to be something it could never deliver on.
Seasons 1 and 2 did not try to pretend to be a dramatic, epic adventure saga like ATLA or a JRPG or an epic anime series. It was just a bunch of funny gag comedy scenes and cool fight scenes, and it delivered on that people were satisfied by that. Had the show continued to just be some wacky, lighthearted stuff like that, the show would have been fine.
The moment Ozpin pulled Pyrha aside in season/volume 3 and we were introduced to a secret war for the fate of humanity and it was being treated seriously, that was the moment the show started promising something it could never deliver. Penny's and Pyrha's death and the fall of Vale was a great shock value moment, but the show simply wasn't constructed to have the legs to carry the story forward in a satisfying manner after that.
This has to be reemphasized.
I think RWBY's failure comes from promising to be something it could never deliver on.
Seasons 1 and 2 did not try to pretend to be a dramatic, epic adventure saga like ATLA or a JRPG or an epic anime series. It was just a bunch of funny gag comedy scenes and cool fight scenes, and it delivered on that people were satisfied by that. Had the show continued to just be some wacky, lighthearted stuff like that, the show would have been fine.
The moment Ozpin pulled Pyrha aside in season/volume 3 and we were introduced to a secret war for the fate of humanity and it was being treated seriously, that was the moment the show started promising something it could never deliver. Penny's and Pyrha's death and the fall of Vale was a great shock value moment, but the show simply wasn't constructed to have the legs to carry the story forward in a satisfying manner after that.
Pretty sure they were aping Harry Potter there. The film series ended in 2011 and RWBY was released in 2013. At that point "magical school" shows and stories were extremely in fashion after what a juggernaut Harry Potter proved to be. Lots of them were planned around the same plot, start in a magical school, a season or two of classes (useless/abusive teachers common), bullies, etc, then the school's invaded and falls, followed by an adventure.Eh... I thought the trailers and intro stuff, and even the first episode felt like it trying to sell an adventure saga. I remember when the second episode aired I was thought "wait... this is a magical high school show?" I stuck around until a bit after the fall of Beacon because it seemed like even if it wasn't really giving it to us it still seemed like we were getting promised an adventure saga. Then when Beacon fell and we started getting it it became clear it couldn't give us a good one.
IMO if they wanted to do the adventure show, they ought to have cut Beacon totally. It's hard to have an adventure in a school because 1) your characters aren't going anywhere, and sagas generally need physical motion and 2) your characters have an overabundance of authority figures who you'll have to keep explaining why they aren't solving the problem.
If on the other hand, they wanted to do wacky magical high school slapstick with cool fight choreography, then it should have focused much more heavily on that from the start- make it clear in the trailers, no serious shadowy greater scope villains.
Ehhhhh, maybe? At the very least, I'd still like to see them travel around a little on field-assignments or to the other academies at least from time to time. Otherwise, I think it would have run the risk of growing boring after a while and running into the sort of issues similar Magical High School stories have.Am I the only one who thinks that RWBY would have been better if they just stuck to being a hunter team in training and never escalated to a world spanning conflict?
Pretty sure they were aping Harry Potter there. The film series ended in 2011 and RWBY was released in 2013. At that point "magical school" shows and stories were extremely in fashion after what a juggernaut Harry Potter proved to be. Lots of them were planned around the same plot, start in a magical school, a season or two of classes (useless/abusive teachers common), bullies, etc, then the school's invaded and falls, followed by an adventure.
I agree. Escalating the threat too far past the original premise is risky in writing, it can be done but has a high chance of opening up gaping plot holes by making previous storylines irrelevant because of the change in scale.Am I the only one who thinks that RWBY would have been better if they just stuck to being a hunter team in training and never escalated to a world spanning conflict?
This is a very good point, very cogent. I would add to it that Harry Potter benefits from being a changeling fantasy. Our viewpoint character has no idea how the Wizarding World works and so his learning about the whimsical, mad logic of the magical system and sense of wonder as Harry discovers one marvel after another give it a lot of options for character building that RWBY lacks.Yeah, I was actually trying to think through why Harry Potter works even though it is pretty much entirely set at Hogwarts. I think it ties into the fact that the Harry Potter novels, are primarily mystery novels- for the majority of each book, the main characters are concerned with finding the answer to one question or another. "What is being guarded at Hogwarts? Who is Nicolas Flamel? Who is after the Philosopher's Stone?" You kind of want mystery novels set in one location.
At some level I suspect the writers wanted a changeling character but I don't think they internalized how such a character works. They supplied a few characters with superficial changeling traits, Jaune is untrained and has no idea what he's getting into and Penny is a newly constructed gynoid, but they didn't understand how such a character works or they would have realized the changeling has to be the main character, and the story needs to have heavy elements of discovery, and their changelings know too much about Remnant compared with Harry anyway.
Probably the SJW parasite.What I['m saying here is that I have a rather low opinion of Miles and Kerry's skills as actual writers. It just puzzles the heck out of me how they can go from pretty decent storytelling like parts of Red vs Blue etc to....whatever the heck is going on with RWBY or Gen:lock.
Well obviously I can't read their minds when I say they "wanted" something. Jaune to me is conspicuously different and out-of-place compared to the rest of the cast and I can't help but feel he's intended to be that sort of character and was shoehorned in for such purposes, or perhaps to be the everyman type although, again, normally that's a main character and they shoehorned the role into support where it doesn't work.I do believe you are onto something here...although. I question just how much they actually 'wanted' a changeling character because it was the sort of story they wanted to tell. Or if it was a case of them, consciously or not, aping works of fiction like Harry Potter and not knowing what it was they really were trying to do.
What I['m saying here is that I have a rather low opinion of Miles and Kerry's skills as actual writers. It just puzzles the heck out of me how they can go from pretty decent storytelling like parts of Red vs Blue etc to....whatever the heck is going on with RWBY or Gen:lock.
Pretty sure they were aping Harry Potter there. The film series ended in 2011 and RWBY was released in 2013. At that point "magical school" shows and stories were extremely in fashion after what a juggernaut Harry Potter proved to be. Lots of them were planned around the same plot, start in a magical school, a season or two of classes (useless/abusive teachers common), bullies, etc, then the school's invaded and falls, followed by an adventure.
Yeah, I was actually trying to think through why Harry Potter works even though it is pretty much entirely set at Hogwarts. I think it ties into the fact that the Harry Potter novels, are primarily mystery novels- for the majority of each book, the main characters are concerned with finding the answer to one question or another. "What is being guarded at Hogwarts? Who is Nicolas Flamel? Who is after the Philosopher's Stone?" You kind of want mystery novels set in one location.
That said RWBY actually needs Salem or similar. Without an intelligent villain, the main threat is non-sentient Grimm and they don't provide much characterization or opportunity for growth.