What if the future Frederick the Great would have died in 1739? What effects would this have subsequently had on Prussia and the rest of Europe? For instance, would Prussia have still made a move on Silesia sooner or later? What about the Seven Years' War?
What if the future Frederick the Great would have died in 1739? What effects would this have subsequently had on Prussia and the rest of Europe? For instance, would Prussia have still made a move on Silesia sooner or later? What about the Seven Years' War?
Interesting idea. It would cause some problems for Prussia and without his leadership if his successor still seeks to breach the Pragmatic Sanction agreement they might end up defeated. If so and Silesia is retained by Austria then its likely that the traditional alliance with Britain and the Netherlands remain and France stays the prime enemy of both. Alternatively [or possibly also] Bavaria which encouraged by France started the conflict could lose territory as a result. Mind you possibly Bavaria gets any lost land back in return for the return of the Austrian Netherlands to Austria - as opposed to Britain giving up gains in Canada.
In which case when the next conflict comes along its difficult to see how things go as the Austrians would be somewhat stronger but they might be distracted by the Ottomans or Russia depending on events. There will be such conflicts due to the assorted tensions and clashes, both in Europe and also the colonial sphere. Its possible that France will do what it did in the 1770's earlier, seeking to isolate Britain for a purely colonial conflict between it and Spain against Britain. However without the OTL successes of the 7YW its unlikely that British diplomacy will be as appalling as OTL and also with France still entrenched in Louisiana and Canada the colonies will be committed to loyalty. Plus we could have the big advantage in such a scenario of Pitt the elder coming to power. As such I would expect such a war ending in a British victory but not by as large a degree as OTL. What would happen after that would depend on circumstances.
In terms of the continent it would also depend on how badly or not Prussia was weakened and does Saxony stay the primary Protestant state in the empire. Assuming Catherine still ends up as empress of Russia she will seek to encroach on Poland among other targets but what would Austria's stance be. Likely to be reluctant to join in but would it risk making Russia an enemy with its other problems?
Given the chronic corruption and incompetence in the French monarchy your likely to see a crisis at some stage. Unless someone is able to persuade the clergy and aristocrats to commit to the state rather than just leech off it its likely to end in at least an attempt at revolution. Whether that succeeds or not could vary but sooner or later reform will be necessary. How that develops is likely to affect European and world history greatly.
Catherina do not wanted pertitions,becouse she arleady controlled entire Poland.But,considering how weak our state were,somebody later probably would do that.
Interesting idea. It would cause some problems for Prussia and without his leadership if his successor still seeks to breach the Pragmatic Sanction agreement they might end up defeated. If so and Silesia is retained by Austria then its likely that the traditional alliance with Britain and the Netherlands remain and France stays the prime enemy of both. Alternatively [or possibly also] Bavaria which encouraged by France started the conflict could lose territory as a result. Mind you possibly Bavaria gets any lost land back in return for the return of the Austrian Netherlands to Austria - as opposed to Britain giving up gains in Canada.
In which case when the next conflict comes along its difficult to see how things go as the Austrians would be somewhat stronger but they might be distracted by the Ottomans or Russia depending on events. There will be such conflicts due to the assorted tensions and clashes, both in Europe and also the colonial sphere. Its possible that France will do what it did in the 1770's earlier, seeking to isolate Britain for a purely colonial conflict between it and Spain against Britain. However without the OTL successes of the 7YW its unlikely that British diplomacy will be as appalling as OTL and also with France still entrenched in Louisiana and Canada the colonies will be committed to loyalty. Plus we could have the big advantage in such a scenario of Pitt the elder coming to power. As such I would expect such a war ending in a British victory but not by as large a degree as OTL. What would happen after that would depend on circumstances.
In terms of the continent it would also depend on how badly or not Prussia was weakened and does Saxony stay the primary Protestant state in the empire. Assuming Catherine still ends up as empress of Russia she will seek to encroach on Poland among other targets but what would Austria's stance be. Likely to be reluctant to join in but would it risk making Russia an enemy with its other problems?
Given the chronic corruption and incompetence in the French monarchy your likely to see a crisis at some stage. Unless someone is able to persuade the clergy and aristocrats to commit to the state rather than just leech off it its likely to end in at least an attempt at revolution. Whether that succeeds or not could vary but sooner or later reform will be necessary. How that develops is likely to affect European and world history greatly.
Could we see a Polish-Russian Ausgleich scenario in Russia in this scenario? Specifically a loose federal arrangement with a single monarch?
What would Austria prefer? Bavarian land or to keep the Austrian Netherlands?
And France would remain a Prussian ally in this TL, right?
Just how much of its North American colonies is France likely to keep in this TL?
Why exactly wouldn't Saxony stay Protestant?
Yeah, I don't see Augustus William being anything like his brother. Way more cautious and defensive. No wild schemes for that one. He aso predeceased Frederick in OTL, so his son would become king much earlier. (And would presumably not be kept from serious duties for most of his youth, so he might be a bit better prepared to govern, in fact.)Most of it comes down to probably not having such a ambitous king. Fred went "By the time this is done, I shall either be a great Power or Prussia shall not exsist". Hard to see other Prussian kings going that way.
Most of it comes down to probably not having such a ambitous king. Fred went "By the time this is done, I shall either be a great Power or Prussia shall not exsist". Hard to see other Prussian kings going that way.
Yes,he was mad.And,if Russia do not get Mad tsar who dreamed about being Frederic servant,Prussia would cease to exist.
Unfortunatelly for humanity,they survived and turned most of germans into little prussians.
Which sucked for Europe,becouse united Germany started and lost two world wars.Which sucked for Poland!
Which sucked for Europe,becouse united Germany started and lost two world wars.
Poland would be fucked anyway - becouse in 1772 we were russian semi-colony.Without Partition we would be eaten by some tsar later.
Most likely as you said.Better then OTL for everybody including prussians,who as result of their success ceased to exist in OTL.Then we could eventually see a Polish-Russian Ausgleich-style situation in Russia develop once Russia will eventually reform. As in, there will be two halves of Russia: A Polish half and a Russian half, who will be connected in a loose union with the central government determining things such as foreign policy but with each of the halves having extremely wide autonomy in regards to determining domestic policy. Though of course Russia might aim to put the Ukrainian-heavy and Belarusian-heavy parts of Poland into the Russian half of the Russian Empire in this TL.
Most likely as you said.Better then OTL for everybody including prussians,who as result of their success ceased to exist in OTL.