LifeisTiresome
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This youtuber talks about why the so called Conservatives of UK are basically worthless.
It can be applied to anywhere though.
What do you guys think? Do you agree?
It logical.Christians do not try conserve anything in ancient Rome,but change it.The same goes for everybody who achieved anything.
If you say,that conserving status quo is enough,you are arleady dead.
This neatly summarizes some of the reasons 'traditional/social' conservatives have effectively been shut out of politics and society for a while now. They have a...almost fossilized mindset and seem bent on trying to turn back a clock that only goes one direction.Conservatism's problem, as it is throughout the Western World, is that it isn't so much an "ideology" but more of a check and balance on progress. As we know it, conservatism evolved alongside classical liberalism, which was an ideology far more interested in the freedoms of the individual instead of overhauling civilisation in general. Together, liberalism and conservatism presided over the flowering of Western Civilisation in the 18th and 19th centuries. However, in the early 20th, liberalism was usurped/infected by socialism, a ceaselessly advancing force bent on creating utopia by any means, no matter how long it took. Conservatism, being a check and balance petrified of rocking the boat, was ill equipped in evolutionary terms to not only contain radical leftism, but be dragged along with it as it shifted the overton window.
Essentially, conservatism as we know it is hopelessly out of date and we need an alternative to combat out of control "progress." Traditionalist Nationalism seems to be the best we can get, but Britain's had a problem with that since forever because our Nationalists (Morgoth here among them) seem to be hopelessly incapable of vacating Mosley's shadow.
They are more 'open' to those ideas because they are the same bloody ideas as the other side. Just slower; when you elect a libertarian they don't undo jack shit, they don't stop shit and they don't prevent shit. They put on pause the lefts wishes and expand/maintain the globalist hegemony that causes this shit.This neatly summarizes some of the reasons 'traditional/social' conservatives have effectively been shut out of politics and society for a while now. They have a...almost fossilized mindset and seem bent on trying to turn back a clock that only goes one direction.
It's why more Libertarian-minded, nationalist, and environmental conservatives, as well as moderates and classical liberals, have major players on the Right, while trad/social conservatives have been less and less relevant to Western politics as a whole. The classical liberals, Libertarians, and others are more open to adapting to current realities, and the limits those realities impose on what is politically achievable and what is not, than trad cons.
Not everything the trad cons want is bad, or unreasonable. But many take it too far and are unwilling to accept functional compromises or that society has changed in ways they cannot undo, and not all of those changes are bad things either.
But the trad cons, in my experience, are almost Lefty-like in how much they hate people who aren't as ideologically pure as them.
Well Bacle calls himself a Centrist and in my eyes, Centrists are basically leftist lite or lefty allies. So you are correct.They are more 'open' to those ideas because they are the same bloody ideas as the other side. Just slower; when you elect a libertarian they don't undo jack shit, they don't stop shit and they don't prevent shit. They put on pause the lefts wishes and expand/maintain the globalist hegemony that causes this shit.
The 'problem' is that the modern conservative is a lefty with a tax solution; nothing more. When you say 'adapt to the current realities' what you mean is cowtow to the left on all fronts, but hold up a false shield of 'well as long as it's legally done' as though the left hasn't poisoned the legal system and is gleefully using it against you. Trad cons don't hate those that are as ideologically pure as them, they hate people who push for the liberalism of the left; and people who still support modern cons do just that.
You openly admit in your very first sentence that the 'clock only goes one way' for you. You're just a fucking liberal who's behind the times. Ironically though since you've got me on ignore you won't see this. You don't ignore the lefty posters though, just the right wing ones; amusing as far as tells go.
How so? When does society become too libertine in your mind?Not everything the trad cons want is bad, or unreasonable. But many take it too far and are unwilling to accept functional compromises or that society has changed in ways they cannot undo, and not all of those changes are bad things either.
'Too libertine' as defined by what metric?How so? When does society become too libertine in your mind?
You say libertinism should be limited by human nature. But look around you. All the degenerate things that are happening is because all objective standards of morality are tossed out the window and people are told to do what they want.'Too libertine' as defined by what metric?
I believe in liberty, of the 'You have a right to do what you want, as long as it only impacts you, it's legal, and you consent to it.' vareity, but also understand the philosophy of 'You have a right to throw a punch, right till you actually hit someone else's face.' and 'don't destroy the biome in pursuit of profit, stupid' line of thinking.
However, I believe that there are limits to liberty impossed by the laws of physics, the laws of nature, and by human nature. Those are hard limits enforced by something more powerful than any ideology.
I am not interested in 'transending' human nature like the Left, in creating a utopia of any sort, and know how foolish it is to try. At the same time, I'm not convinced that the answers to todays problems exist exclusively in any holy text of any one group, in trying to 'reset' society back to any prior state, or in depending on tech alone to fix shit.
I'm wise enough and educated enough to know I don't have all the answers. But I know in my gut that just trying to force 'traditional/social conservatism' on people/the nation won't help things, at least not on its own, and not if those same types keep showing how true Horseshoe theory is for politics.
Like, if you all want religion back in public schools, you better be willing to accept that means ALL religions get equal coverage and gov support in the curiculum.
I am not interested in 'transending' human nature like the Left, in creating a utopia of any sort, and know how foolish it is to try. At the same time, I'm not convinced that the answers to todays problems exist exclusively in any holy text of any one group, in trying to 'reset' society back to any prior state, or in depending on tech alone to fix shit.
I don't know what I am either unless tested but I fear I am downright sheeple who's no better than allowing dictators in power for just wanting to grill.I will be completely honest. I am not a conservative. I don't know what I am. But I know that I will not kowtow to leftism with its bullshit of so called anti-racism which is just racism that is socially approved, will not kowtow to feminism and I will not kowtow to Trans people and their activists totalitarian acts* nor will I kowtow to accepting pedos cause "Muh ethics" and "Muh feelings"
I don't know what I am either unless tested but I fear I am downright sheeple who's no better than allowing dictators in power for just wanting to grill.
I know but whatever choice we make determines what happens to us later on. We just have to live with it and hope for the best.there is nothing wrong with just wanting to grill, there is nothing wrong with just wanting to live your life and be left alone.
In normal times through out most of human history, most elite. Be they royals, nobles, guild masters, religious leaders, generals, despots, and many others under stood the value of letting people like that be. We dont live in normal times.
NAP?You say libertinism should be limited by human nature. But look around you. All the degenerate things that are happening is because all objective standards of morality are tossed out the window and people are told to do what they want.
In the end, society needs objective values underpinning it. The Left calls theirs social justice. What kind of objective values can libertarianism give? You have the NAP, but that's thrown out the window once inequality is considered aggression.
NAP?
Huh, ok, I'd never seen that acronym before in relation to liberal thinking.Non aggression principle.
Yea NAP is like an ancap thing.Huh, ok, I'd never seen that acronym before in relation to liberal thinking.
This is part of the problem with trad cons, they keep thinking they know what the other groups 'actually' think/want and often put words in or mouths or assume we accept the same premises they do.
Ah, so it's another assumption that mixes up ancap idiocy with classical liberalism and libertarianism.Yea NAP is like an ancap thing.