TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
He is not wrong though in this case.
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Yes he is, he is a crazy leftist, sufficiently to do this stunt after all.
The whole idea that USA is controlling other states is a leftist belief, common among tankies like implied there. Unfortunately we don't see USA "controlling" even many of NATO states so they would not be so cozy with Russia and underspending on defense.
What kind of control is that if it can't even make them stop doing stupid shit that they shouldn't be doing even if they weren't controlled.
The whole idea that USA is controlling other states is a leftist belief, common among tankies like implied there. Unfortunately we don't see USA "controlling" even many of NATO states so they would not be so cozy with Russia and underspending on defense.
What kind of control is that if it can't even make them stop doing stupid shit that they shouldn't be doing even if they weren't controlled.
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Circle of Willis
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I mean, this dude had a publicly viewable and fairly active Reddit account where he posted all sorts of ACAB, anti-military, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-white, etc. content for nine years (with a distinct spike in such content in the last year or so), as has been noted upthread (and also archived on the Kiwifarms thread covering this subject). Perhaps the glowies should spend a good deal less time surveilling boomers making spicy Facebook posts and a good deal more keeping tabs on servicemembers' Internet usage, especially if there are glaringly obvious red-hot indicators that said Internet usage is leading them down a path of deranged radicalism like with Burning Bushnell here.
And his final post from three days before his suicide,
Frankly after those posts about how there were no innocent Israelis killed on 10/7 b/c they were all evil settler-colonizers and him mocking the death of the US servicemen in Jordan (nominally his own brothers-in-arms! Whatever you think of the US presence there, I think that's a pretty shitty thing to do re: people who are supposed to be your comrades in the most literal, non-commie sense) I've lost what remains of my sympathy for this maniac. Firmly cements my belief that we're all lucky he cooked himself well-done right now, rather than survive to see that Revolution™ he was lusting after. I don't think there can be any question now that he absolutely would've been first in line to rape & sadistically murder every cisheteropatriarchial huwhyte fascist chud & tradwife he could get his hands on with a big smile on his face, like a Chekist circa 1920 or a Hutu militiaman circa 1994, if the opportunity ever arises.
Unless he has a TS clearance the military does not police what you post, especially if it isn't made noticeable to the military.I mean, this dude had a publicly viewable and fairly active Reddit account where he posted all sorts of ACAB, anti-military, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-white, etc. content for nine years, as has been noted upthread (and also archived on the Kiwifarms thread covering this subject). Perhaps the glowies should spend a good deal less time surveilling boomers making spicy Facebook posts and a good deal more keeping tabs on servicemembers' Internet usage, especially if there are glaringly obvious red-hot indicators that said Internet usage is leading them down a path of deranged radicalism like with Burning Bushnell here.
And his final post from three days before his suicide,
Frankly after those posts about how there were no innocent Israelis killed on 10/7 b/c they were all evil settler-colonizers and him mocking the death of the US servicemen in Jordan (nominally his own brothers-in-arms! Whatever you think of the US presence there, I think that's a pretty shitty thing to do re: people who are supposed to be your comrades in the most literal, non-commie sense) I've lost what remains of my sympathy for this maniac. Firmly cements my belief that we're all lucky he cooked himself well-done right now, rather than survive to see that Revolution™ he was lusting after. I don't think there can be any question now that he absolutely would've been first in line to rape & sadistically murder every cisheteropatriarchial huwhyte fascist chud & tradwife he could get his hands on with a big smile on his face, like a Chekist circa 1920 or a Hutu militiaman circa 1994, if the opportunity ever arises.
Unless he is posting these on a government computer, they do not care what you do in your free time on the internet.
Unless someone rats you out.
Unless you want the DoD on here monitoring all of the posts not just mine I hope it stays where they domt get invovled
Circle of Willis
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Sounds like a mistake that should be amended ASAP to me, especially in the modern Information Age. I shudder to think of how many more creatures just like Bushnell - perfectly brainwashed & demoralized zoomer commies with no regard whatsoever for their own lives or those of the people they've been made to think are the Oppressor Class - are infesting the armed forces' ranks right now, except they're smart enough to wait for civil unrest or another crisis to create an opportunity they can exploit rather than throwing their lives away for people who can't even wait for them to be lowered into a grave before shitting into it in the here & now.
And hell, any oversight in cases like this would not even have needed extensive & constant surveillance or any wacky spy shenanigans - as I said, Bushnell's Reddit account was clearly very public and very, very active. Even the most trivial, surface-level search for his username & examination of the content he posted should've been enough to sound alarms that this dude had more than a few screws loose, and certainly no business being anywhere near the military.
King Arts
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I know it’s weird for me to agree with Zach but Zach is right about this. Sure the army might be having trouble recruiting but they still have ALOT of people. It would take a lot of people to watch over every soldiers internet posts. This guy wasn’t on tv with his name saying this it was a Reddit account. To do what you want you’d either need to massively expand the FBI and give them authority to investigate military issues, or recruit more soldiers into counter intelligence.
Circle of Willis
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Definitely strikes me as a worthwhile initiative for Trump to consider, if he gets back in, as well as his successors. I would like to think that making sure that your armed forces aren't infiltrated by zealous enemy agents who will at best horribly kill themselves, and at worst became a fifth column of mutineers & saboteurs the instant you ever even tangentially get mixed up in a conflict they ideologically disagree with, is supposed to be a top priority for the DIA (and every other military counterintelligence agency out there for that matter). One of the basics, even. And as Bushnell's case as well as those of other soldiers showing themselves to be rabid leftists in the past abundantly demonstrates, it's apparently easier than expected for soldiers to fall down a hole of Internet radicalism.
King Arts
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I'm sure the army does keep more watch over soldiers that actually matter like officers, those who are part of the strategic missle forces who man THAAD's and Patriots. But we have like a million men in the army alone not including marines, navy, air force,etc. assuming a soldier would be responsible to watch over the internet posts of 10 soldiers they would have to have around 100,000 soldiers dedicated to counter intelligence alone. That's a pretty big number, I don't think the Chinese or Soviets had THAT much.
Circle of Willis
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IIRC the Soviets had installed commissars in every unit from the company level up, and I'm sure the Soviet armies of the RCW and WW2 had lots of companies. Doubt the DIA would need that many personnel or have them be as intrusive as the commissars of ye olden days, though. People like Spencer Rapone (who was actually caught and dishonorably discharged), Bushnell and that one woman soldier who posted a video of herself gloating about how she's down to massacre any American right-wingers if they engage in anything she can construe to be an insurrection from a couple years ago are making no secret of their ideology, and clearly believe that they're untouchable (or perhaps that the US military is so ideologically captured & pozzed that it would never dare touch them). If they didn't believe that, they wouldn't be so daring as to spam their dreadful beliefs online constantly, pretty much up until the day they die in Bushnell's case.
While it's likely impractical to meticulously scan over every single private's browsing history every day for signs of anti-American and anti-military ideology, as I also said before, it shouldn't be that hard to find & make enough examples to create a chilling effect. Even just requiring them to report their account usernames & checking in on what they've posted like once a month would probably be enough to catch people who exercise such little online opsec. Guys like Rapone and Bushnell weren't some sly master infiltrators, they're attention whores who are basically begging Armed Forces-senpai to notice how psychotically radical they are and seemingly could not go a single day without posting something inflammatory to Reddit or wherever their favorite online haunt is - their addiction to online asspats consistently overrode all reason, and as we now know, even basic self-preservation instincts. (The same is true of all those trans officers, I have yet to see one who wasn't an outspoken prog of some kind. And in general being an attention whore seems endemic to the zoomer troopers regardless of politics, MA Air National Guardsman Jack Teixeira wasn't an ancom and he leaked intel just to impress his Discord buddies last year.)
You can't police a over a million people that are in all diffrent fields.
Not in the US, when we still have the 4th amendment.
There are not enough people in the intel agencies or this.
Counter Intel doesn't even do that stuff, they get permission to have other agencies, like the NSA and FBI to do these things.
You are literally asking that the service members shouldn't get a 4th amendment right....or 1st.
We are allowed to speak freely, we just can not be in uniform when we do it.
Requiring the military to invade my personal privacy basically allows the government to monitor me, everyone here, every discord, etc.
You are saying that EVERY American should lose thier 1st snd 4th amendment rights because of the 1% that join the military
Not in the US, when we still have the 4th amendment.
There are not enough people in the intel agencies or this.
Counter Intel doesn't even do that stuff, they get permission to have other agencies, like the NSA and FBI to do these things.
You are literally asking that the service members shouldn't get a 4th amendment right....or 1st.
We are allowed to speak freely, we just can not be in uniform when we do it.
Requiring the military to invade my personal privacy basically allows the government to monitor me, everyone here, every discord, etc.
You are saying that EVERY American should lose thier 1st snd 4th amendment rights because of the 1% that join the military
King Arts
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I mean again Soviet Commissars watched soldiers while they were in the field on the job. They did not waste too much time spying on everyone all the time. Again these soldiers are probably able to keep their oppinions to themselves while they are in uniform. While the Soviets did not have any laws limiting who they could spy on, they would probably not waste their time watching low level grunts, because it's not practical. Again this guy was a regular airman. It really would be hard for any government branch to watch out for this because they will be focused on either high level people or groups that we think are a threat.
I thought you guys have up your constitutional rights when you were in the Army? Huh so you still have them?
Skallagrim
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Practicality may be a valid concern, but the rest of your post is based on your own assumptions (which I believe to be incorrect).
-- The First Amendment guarantees free speech. This doesn't entitle you to employment. What @Circle of Willis suggests doesn't violate your First Amendment rights. If you want to work for Walmart, and they look you up and discover you've written like 50 posts about how Walmart customers should be gassed, they'll refrain from hiring you. If they find out later, it's a legitimate reason to fire you. (All contracts have clauses that allow termination of people whose public expressions are harmful to, or derogatory about, their employer.) That's not a violation of the First Amendment, it's a condition of employment. You choose to seek employment there, and that choice has certain consequences (i.e. you can't say shit that's harmful to your employer). You're not forced to work there, so your rights aren't getting violated.
-- The military can likewise set standards. Reasonable standards might include that those serving in the armed forces are not allowed to disparage the armed forces or their fellow servicemen, and that doing so will result in dishonourable discharge. Likewise, publically advocating for the enemies of your country could be prohibited... if you choose to serve. It's your choice whether you accept those limitations. If you don't, then don't enter the service. That's your choice, therefore your rights are not violated.
-- The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches. It doesn't prohibit employers from looking up whether you have published or written absolute batshit nonsense that renders you unfit. Walmart can google you. So can the military. If they find out you're a fucking psycho, they should be allowed to get rid of you. The argument here is that because the armed forces are pretty crucial to a nation's security, and its servicemen are trained and armed... it might be wise to invest in doing background checks (with period check-ins / 'updates') for all servicemen. If 'all' isn't possible in practice, then at least for those in the more sentitive roles. This doesn't violate the Fourth Amendment, since the suggestion isn't "snoop in their phone's private messages". More like "periodically look them up on the web, see if they're not going around being total freaks in public".
-- Given the above, others (e.g. on this forum because you're here) losing their rights isn't applicable either. You're making that up completely. It's a complete over-reaction to & mis-representation of what's being proposed.
The point is that key institutions (the military being one) have been infiltrated by deranged freaks. The only way to undo that is to actively search out the freaks, and to impose standards of conduct that allow for all deranged freaks to be kicked to the curb with zero compensation, preferably yesterday.
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Circle of Willis
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Defense Secretary Austin ordered a 60-day standdown to confront 'right-wing extremism', 'white supremacy', etc. (all of which, at this point, can be understood to be little more than buzzwords for anyone to right of Leon Trotsky to his ilk) pretty much as soon as Biden gave him the job, and the Minot Air Force Base over in ND ordered airmen not to attend a TPUSA event just last November, even though TPUSA is as mainstream as young conservatives can get. If the military can do all of that (despite, again, the targets of their ire being as milquetoast as possible while still nominally being conservatives - Charlie Kirk et al. cannot be construed as white supremacists or w/e unless you're already operating from a Communist POV), I do not believe muzzling far-left extremists in the ranks who openly hate America, want it destroyed and literally see no problem with raping & massacring noncombatants in their own words is somehow beyond their power or the pale for them.
Bushnell was an active duty member of the Air Force, and I think a Soviet commissar would definitely have a problem with one of their soldiers yapping endlessly about how capitalism is based and the Soviet Union should be eradicated along with the Russian nation in general on his free time (which I consider Bushnell's online activity to be the modern Internet version thereof, given that Reddit's a public forum and he was active on it for years). I'm also skeptical of Bushnell being able to hide his power level IRL consistently, given some of his posting history (anarchist ideology aside, he seemed to really have a problem with superior officers & the concept of military discipline in general, and likened even just having to salute the former to a humiliation ritual). Maybe he wouldn't have mocked those three soldiers who were killed in Jordan out loud as he did online, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out he pitched a tantrum about Trump or Israel to any other airmen who'd listen, regardless of whether they were wearing uniforms at the time or not. Doesn't help that the Air Force is also considered the wokest of the military branches and the one Biden is recruiting Milley's replacement from.
King Arts
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What you just said was really ignorant. You can't compare military service to a regular job. First off you are wrong about the not being forced thing. Conscription is a thing, you can be forced to be in the army in certain circumstances you can't be forced to work at Walmart. You can also quit a regular job most of the time, you can't really quit the army if you decide you don't like it.
Second being fired and dishonorably discharged is different a dishonorable discharge is equivalent to a felony a crime. You won't be arrested for insulting your boss.
Also while it would be great to remove the leftist freaks, if you just put it into place without thinking the freaks will remove you, because just look at who is in charge.
Well obviously they don't like that and if they knew the soviets would have removed him. Just like the US Air Force would have removed this guy if he knew. If he was supporting anarchism while in uniform and talking about that around his coworkers he would have been caught. He had to have hidden his power level otherwise he would have been kicked out for racism and advocating overthrowing the government that is not allowed. If they knew and did nothing then it's a bigger problem problem.
He was not reddit posting in real life. As for bitching about Trump I'm pretty sure many soldiers bitch about their leaders.
mrttao
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TLDR of argument:
> Circle of Willis : if we get power we should use the liberals own tools against them. and do them what they did to us
> Zachowon: you can't do that! it is unconstitutional! also it is impossible! there are too many people, how could you ever enforce such laws?
> Circle of Willis : if we get power we should use the liberals own tools against them. and do them what they did to us
> Zachowon: you can't do that! it is unconstitutional! also it is impossible! there are too many people, how could you ever enforce such laws?
Circle of Willis
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Yeah, the bolded is what I've been getting at & grousing about. I don't believe Bushnell was alone in being a far-left psycho in uniform; moreover the atmosphere created by Biden, Austin, etc. with their DEI seminars, diversity training, stand-downs to 'confront' right-wingers but not left-wingers, and so on is one in which there is a non-zero chance his peers & superiors are inclined to either turn a blind eye or even sympathize with him if he should ever start ranting about his beliefs IRL, as I suspect he may have (again between his Reddit posting history & the very flashy manner in which he chose to go out, Bushnell does not strike me as someone who can keep quiet about his opinions for very long). The Air Force guy succeeding Milley, Charles CQ Brown, definitely seems like someone who'd 100% agree with Bushnell's take on the evils of whiteness at a minimum, for example, and with leaders like that it's no surprise that the woke infection seems to have progressed the furthest in the USAF out of all the branches.
In general, this affair should rightly join the already considerable list of reasons as to why any future Trump SecDef, ideally Mike Flynn or someone adjacent to him, should issue a Day 1 stand-down order to confront left-wing extremism in the military (thank you Lloyd Austin for setting that wonderful precedent). I've said it before & I'll say it again, it's very fortunate that all this insane shit is leaking now when the US is at peace & still has time to start investigating and cutting away at the red cancer, rather than when there's an actual hot war or other crisis going on and guys like Bushnell will have an opportunity to cause some real damage to others besides themselves.
Basically true
We still have them.
We just have less of them whike in uniform
It violates the forst amendment by punishing non protected speech within tje military.
I actually think it is in the UCMJ.
but that also opens the boat where we cant uh....complain about our commanders, and basically orevent people like Angry Cops and other avenues thay call out bad leadership and the like and how bad these people can be.
read the UCMJ articles to understand what we can and can't be charged with.
What he is askinf them to do is to basically conduct searches into thier internet usage to identify what they are soing.
it goes against the 4th amendment rights.
something actually very important to the military and is often tried to be abused but gets shot down a lot.
eg: On post housing, even though on post, can not be searched unless allowed in by the spouse, or wuth a warrant.
I'm telling you how it would be and knowing jow it would work. The investigation agencues that do background checks and make sure people can get TS clearences have to ask pwrmission to go through these things.
You can not realibaly take out the bad parties without making it easy to be abused should the bad parties take power...
As someone who went through said training.
It was fucking useless for what it was on about.
It literally didn't end up with anything worthwhile besides the whole thing of "See something, Say something".
That was it.
Out of everyone here besides one other person on this forum, no one has gone through the same stand down day.
But hey, THEY GUY WHO HAS BEEN IN 5 YEARS, doesn't know what can and can't be done or the UCMJ, or what rhe stand down meant