Ukraine vs Fallout Pre-War America

Scooby Doo said:

I don't think Ukraine could beat America but I feel like it could stall it like it has been doing to Russia tbh

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Russia struggles to armor it's troops, whereas at minimum the Pre-War US is packing shrapnel-resistant bodysuits with rifle-round resistant plates over the vitals. With upgraded versions getting power-armor-lite levels of protection.

The Kamikaze drones will be a fair bit less effective against these targets.

ThatZenoGuy said:

Russia struggles to armor it's troops, whereas at minimum the Pre-War US is packing shrapnel-resistant bodysuits with rifle-round resistant plates over the vitals. With upgraded versions getting power-armor-lite levels of protection.

The Kamikaze drones will be a fair bit less effective against these targets.

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Aren't the things with Ukrainian drones is they're more accurate than any artillery shell?

I feel like the kamikaze drones that can hit speeding vehicles and kill the crew inside are gonna be more effective than regular artillery.

Scooby Doo said:

Aren't the things with Ukrainian drones is they're more accurate than any artillery shell?

I feel like the kamikaze drones that can hit speeding vehicles and kill the crew inside are gonna be more effective than regular artillery.

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From the footage I've seen they often don't directly hit infantry, although sometimes it happens yeah. It can nail tanks with ease though.

ThatZenoGuy said:

From the footage I've seen they often don't directly hit infantry, although sometimes it happens yeah. It can nail tanks with ease though.

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Hmm how long do you think Ukraine with Western Support can last against Pre-War America.

A month, year?

Scooby Doo said:

Hmm how long do you think Ukraine with Western Support can last against Pre-War America.

A month, year?

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Its honestly hard to tell, depends on how insane the USA chooses to be.

A month or two?

ThatZenoGuy said:

They had MULTIPLE VARIETIES of nuclear rocket, a nuclear SSTO is really not outside the scope of how silly and powerful pre-war America was.

Pre-War Americans could legally own laser guns that cut people in half like a lightsaber, they were buying body armor sets for personal usage that would basically blow anything we can come up with today out of the water.

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As somebody said already, in another thread, they are the Jetsons, Militarized.



Just imagine swarms of securotrons and mr. Handy type flying bots wielding laser weapons and flame throwers followed by units of mini nuke launching powered armor clad soldiers.

Big concentrations of enemies and enemy artillery and air assets?

Hit them with an orbital laser(that solar thing from FO:NV), an ICBM or a even some nuclear artillery.

And imagine infiltrators with stealthboys sneaking into trenches and leaving some nuclear powered surprises for the troops that occupy them.

ThatZenoGuy said:

Its honestly hard to tell, depends on how insane the USA chooses to be.

A month or two?

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The virgin USA deep state vs. the Chad FOUSA Enclave.

And frankly, given how things are going I imagine many in RLUS would be happy to side with and support the FOUSA, if anything they might see Trump as a superior candidate and try and help him out with whatever cover means they can.

Also, we have enough oil and and Uranium and other minerals on regular earth to revitalize the FOUSA.

@ThatZenoGuy @Agent23
What Caliber do you think Ukraine will need to pierce FO power armor based on the new feats that came out?

FO Revolvers hit cartoonishly hard (Blow the lung out the body hard as Joe Biden likes to say) and make massive holes but can't stun or scratch the paint job of power armor even if you aim at the head

Even rifle or SMG caliber rounds appear to be so ineffective that power armor troopers are comfortable walking up to the shooter while shrugging off the bullets

Scooby Doo said:

@ThatZenoGuy @Agent23
What Caliber do you think Ukraine will need to pierce FO power armor based on the new feats that came out?

FO Revolvers hit cartoonishly hard (Blow the lung out the body hard as Joe Biden likes to say) and make massive holes but can't stun or scratch the paint job of power armor even if you aim at the head

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He got a high critical table roll, you can kill a person without actually dealing damage to them if you're lucky enough. :V So uhh, that depends on if Ukrainians have FO luck mechanics or not.

Scooby Doo said:

Even rifle or SMG caliber rounds appear to be so ineffective that power armor troopers are comfortable walking up to the shooter while shrugging off the bullets

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Also not too unusual, aside from crits the only way to put a power armored dude down in a single turn is burstfire weapons or plasma/gauss weapons.

Ukraine has 14.5mm rifles that should be able to punch through power armor like it was barely even there, .50BMG fucks them up bad enough as is.

ThatZenoGuy said:

He got a high critical table roll, you can kill a person without actually dealing damage to them if you're lucky enough. :V So uhh, that depends on if Ukrainians have FO luck mechanics or not.

Also not too unusual, aside from crits the only way to put a power armored dude down in a single turn is burstfire weapons or plasma/gauss weapons.

Ukraine has 14.5mm rifles that should be able to punch through power armor like it was barely even there, .50BMG fucks them up bad enough as is.

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Hmm at the same time though the PO armor troopers can just as easily kill the Ukrainians with 14.5mm rifles so it's effectiveness is diminished based on the amount of power armor troopers vs 14.5mm rifles and ammo.

Cause they can definitely send Sentry's in and those mother fuckers will canonically eat 14.5mm rounds like candy unless their weak spot in the back is targeted.

Scooby Doo said:

Hmm at the same time though the PO armor troopers can just as easily kill the Ukrainians with 14.5mm rifles so it's effectiveness is diminished based on the amount of power armor troopers vs 14.5mm rifles and ammo.

Cause they can definitely send Sentry's in and those mother fuckers will canonically eat 14.5mm rounds like candy unless their weak spot in the back is targeted.

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Pre-war america doesn't have any 14.5mm rifles, the only canonical anti-materiel rifle is of French origin and apparently not very common.
They DO have .308 sniper rifles though, that'll punch through any Ukrainian body armor.

ThatZenoGuy said:

Pre-war america doesn't have any 14.5mm rifles, the only canonical anti-materiel rifle is of French origin and apparently not very common.
They DO have .308 sniper rifles though, that'll punch through any Ukrainian body armor.

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Maybe a shot from one of those 12.5 mm antimatrial rifles could work, but frankly I think the best bet would be to use a Javelin or RPG.

ThatZenoGuy said:

Pre-war america doesn't have any 14.5mm rifles, the only canonical anti-materiel rifle is of French origin and apparently not very common.
They DO have .308 sniper rifles though, that'll punch through any Ukrainian body armor.

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TBH they don't even need .308 the army has a mass produced laser rifle variant they can just give to some sharp shooters and it'll probably be more effective cause it'd be lighter/have less recoil and more shots per magazine equivalent.

Agent23 said:

Maybe a shot from one of those 12.5 mm antimatrial rifles could work, but frankly I think the best bet would be to use a Javelin or RPG.

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Ehhhhhh, canonically T-51b (best pre-war power armor) can only really totally ignore spicy 5.56, not anything bigger.

Agent23 said:

Maybe a shot from one of those 12.5 mm antimatrial rifles could work, but frankly I think the best bet would be to use a Javelin or RPG.

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Don't forget the Sentry's, they're basically super heavy tanks being able to withstand mini nukes and missiles so Javelin's are going to have a difficult time putting them down

ThatZenoGuy said:

Ehhhhhh, canonically T-51b (best pre-war power armor) can only really totally ignore spicy 5.56, not anything bigger.

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Imo they should ignore 7.62 that's what the Chinese used and they had to resort to building a rail gun.

The quote of 2,500 joules is not the cap but the bare minimum, the quote says OVER not UP TO.

Scooby Doo said:

Vs

Scenario) Pre-War Fallout America replaces Russia (Pre-War America ignoring every other country but Ukraine) and attempts a complete annexation Ukraine.

Ukraine gets invaded by American forces on the timeline of February 24, 2022. The forces and assets available for Pre-War America initially are from their own timeline of October 22nd 2077 and only the named/known Orbital weapon satellites.

The West like in our timeline is afraid of nuclear retaliation (And will only provide support via resources/Intel) and Pre-War America has no interest in nuking the resources of Ukraine so they will be restricting their nuclear arsenal. (Nothing above Mark 29 Nukes)

If Ukraine lasts long enough to receive more equipment such as Jets and Abrams then FO America will unlock and be able to fully produce Prototype equipment/technology.

If Ukraine lasts until 2023.
FO America gets
-Mass Production ready Death Claws
-Mass Production ready Robo Scorpions (All Models)
-Mass Production ready X-01 Power Armors
-Mass Production ready XVB02 Verti Birds
-Completed Liberty Prime
-Mass Production ready Tesla Cannon's

If Ukraine lasts until 2024.
FO America gets
-All Sierra Madre technology mass producible and perfectly functional
-All Big MT technology mass producible and perfectly functional
-Mass Production models of Liberty Prime

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Btw, Scoob, what are those jets in the upper left corner?

Agent23 said:

Btw, Scoob, what are those jets in the upper left corner?

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Those are the Stingray Deluxe
Stingray Deluxe

Scooby Doo said:

Those are the Stingray Deluxe
Stingray Deluxe

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Uh, oh.

The FOUSA was fighting wars ON THE FRIGGING MOON.
PROBABLY EITH THOSE JETS INVOLVED.

Agent23 said:

Uh, oh.

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The FOUSA was fighting wars ON THE FRIGGING MOON.
PROBABLY EITH THOSE JETS INVOLVED.

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They weren't fighting a war on the moon, it was just art work showing the progression of their technology, the other is WWII then Stingray then Space.


Canonically there is no references to a war on the moon and FO America stopped sending to the Moon sometime during the Great War.


Huh nevermind I misremembering

Scooby Doo said:

@ThatZenoGuy @Agent23
What Caliber do you think Ukraine will need to pierce FO power armor based on the new feats that came out?

FO Revolvers hit cartoonishly hard (Blow the lung out the body hard as Joe Biden likes to say) and make massive holes but can't stun or scratch the paint job of power armor even if you aim at the head

Even rifle or SMG caliber rounds appear to be so ineffective that power armor troopers are comfortable walking up to the shooter while shrugging off the bullets

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Probably autocannon level rounds IMHO. Power Armored troops could be killed by Wasteland randos... and you saw the random encounters where a bunch of leather jacket clad bandits are trying to swarm like two or three Brotherhood Paladins in Fallout 1 and dying like lemmings... but eventually the critical hits for 0,1,2,3 damage might eventually whittle them down. But I think it's comfortable to say, at least IMHO, that Power Armor is meant to be extremely resilient to small arms.

If you could take out Power Armor with assault rifles, then I don't see how the NCR would've needed ten to one odds to take Helios One, or how T-51 Power Armor was somehow such a game changer in the Sino-American War that the Yangtze Campaign had entire Chinese units surrendering to Power Armor troopers because they were utterly pwning Chinese Infantry and TANK formations on their own home ground.

To be sure, the strength enhancements of the Power Armor are great too, being able to carry crew served weapons as regular small arms, but being nigh invulnerable to anything but direct hits from dedicated anti-armor weaponry helps as well. Makes you resilient not just to the big killers of small arms and machine guns, but the even bigger killers which can be mortars and artillery shrapnel and the like.

If 12.7mm can reliably penetrate Power Armor, then the Fallout Americans might have a worse time of it. The War in the Donbass since 2014 actually created a very considerable Corps of veteran snipers who often used anti-material rifles a lot. It'd be like a real life version of those NPC Versus videos of NCR Veteran Rangers versus Brotherhood Paladins... which typically ends poorly for the latter.