Breaking News Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses

SO, this happened because diversity hires and cost cutting, am I right?

Having read into it a little more…I’m not sure if a more well supported bridge would have had any luck either.

The vessel that hit it was a fifty thousand tonner. She’s ten thousand tons heavier than a Bismarck class battleship, so enormous damage was going to be done either way.

And by the sounds of it, the crew didn’t even fuck up. The Captain responded to the situation in a heartbeat and probably saved lives, but the power had gone out in basically the worst possible place and time; there was nothing they could do.

Cost cutting in maintenance primarily, monodiversity of the crew is probably distant second.

PsihoKekec said:

Cost cutting in maintenance primarily, monodiversity of the crew is probably distant second.

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The later is normal for ships though.
The pilot is often not part of the crew during these

Lord Sovereign said:

Having read into it a little more…I’m not sure if a more well supported bridge would have had any luck either.

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Yeah, I doubt something as huge as a super container ship can be stopped by any "collision proofing"

Those bastards, especially fully loaded, are basically one gigantic floating brick.

Lord Sovereign said:

The vessel that hit it was a fifty thousand tonner. She’s ten thousand tons heavier than a Bismarck class battleship, so enormous damage was going to be done either way.

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50 thousand printer toners? wtf.


Humor aside, is there a difference between tons and tonnes.
1 ton = 1000 kilograms.

Lord Sovereign said:

And by the sounds of it, the crew didn’t even fuck up. The Captain responded to the situation in a heartbeat and probably saved lives, but the power had gone out in basically the worst possible place and time; there was nothing they could do.

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I mean, it is possible the crew fucked up by ignoring signs of electric installation faults and not reporting potential problems and shoddy maintenance.

From what I heard, they were a bunch of pajeets, and one thing I have noticed with them is that, aside from usually being massively incompetent, lazy and ethnocentric they:
a) Are extremely passive and don't give a fuck unless they are given explicit instructions to do something, zero initiative and drive,basically.
b) They are very afraid of "losing face".

So IMHO it is very much possible that they swept whatever was going on under the floor.

In any case, the sheer size of these types of ships makes them very dangerous, and older infrastructure probably won't interact well with them.

They are the quintessential elephant in a glassware shop.

Agent23 said:

Yeah, I doubt something as huge as a super container ship can be stopped by any "collision proofing"

Those bastards, especially fully loaded, are basically one gigantic floating brick.

50 thousand printer toners? wtf.


Humor aside, is there a difference between tons and tonnes.
1 ton = 1000 kilograms.




I mean, it is possible the crew fucked up by ignoring signs of electric installation faults and not reporting potential problems and shoddy maintenance.

From what I heard, they were a bunch of pajeets, and one thing I have noticed with them is that, aside from usually being massively incompetent, lazy and ethnocentric they:
a) Are extremely passive and don't give a fuck unless they are given explicit instructions to do something, zero initiative and drive,basically.
b) They are very afraid of "losing face".

So IMHO it is very much possible that they swept whatever was going on under the floor.

In any case, the sheer size of these types of ships makes them very dangerous, and older infrastructure probably won't interact well with them.

They are the quintessential elephant in a glassware shop.

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He could be using Imperial tons

Zachowon said:

He could be using Imperial tons

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That is what I am asking.

And also trolling him a bit for misspelling.

More People On The Internet Saying Things...

It's always conveniently turned off whenever anyone in a position of authority is doing something sketchy or wants to retroactively hide something anyhow.

And there it is… The Dali ship's black box has 2 minutes of missing data right before it crashed into the Francis Scott Key bridge

It's not even remotely surprising anymore. All of those security cameras that are supposedly meant to provide the public with some level of security and information observably aren't permitted to function well enough to fulfil their supposed purpose, so there is no reason to pretend that they ever will or to allow them to be utilized by government agencies.

Things like these are always justified on the basis of what they could, in theory, accomplish. But the observable reality is that they do not accomplish what is promised, therefore the justifications do not apply.

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Well, ship was having a power outage... but surely the black box would have it's own backup supply?

Scottty said:

Well, ship was having a power outage... but surely the black box would have it's own backup supply?

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Eh.

It was having a bunch of issues with maintenance, could be one more.


Or, it was sabotage, but, once again, right now? Not too likely.

It is people pulling at every straw to try and claim this was on purpose.

Lack of maintenance probably had the Blackbox rely on the main power instead of its own.

This ship has had maintenance problems

Simonbob said:

Eh.

It was having a bunch of issues with maintenance, could be one more.


Or, it was sabotage, but, once again, right now? Not too likely.

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Would have to be extremely precise sabotage to take out the engines/electric grid the moment when the ships is moving in the exact direction and speed to hit the pillar.

And, you know, counter any attempts by the crew to stop it, like dropping anchor or restarting the engines.

But an engine of that size would likely need time to rev up and even if you try to steer the ship and or put it in reverse something that big with that much inertia, well, I am kinda skeptical.

That thing is over 300 meters long and can carry the equivalent of over 9000 (pun intended) truck container loads, and probably did.

And to that you can add the tonnage of the ship, itself.

Something like this would be trying to steer an elephant.

Zachowon said:

It is people pulling at every straw to try and claim this was on purpose.

Lack of maintenance probably had the Blackbox rely on the main power instead of its own.

This ship has had maintenance problems

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I don't think Vox is saying it was on purpose, as much as it is sus and indicative of a coverup of incompetence or something like that.

Black boxes are supposed to survive aircraft crashes and the like, it not having emergency batteries is weird.

Or indicative of the builders and operators cutting costs while at the same time making sure that any critical data that implicates them is lost somehow.

Captain is probably gonna be the fall guy, incompetent or not.

Agent23 said:

Would have to be extremely precise sabotage to take out the engines/electric grid the moment when the ships is moving in the exact direction and speed to hit the pillar.

And, you know, counter any attempts by the crew to stop it, like dropping anchor or restarting the engines.

But an engine of that size would likely need time to rev up and even if you try to steer the ship and or put it in reverse something that big with that much inertia, well, I am kinda skeptical.

That thing is over 300 meters long and can carry the equivalent of over 9000 (pun intended) truck container loads, and probably did.

And to that you can add the tonnage of the ship, itself.

Something like this would be trying to steer an elephant.


I don't think Vox is saying it was on purpose, as much as it is sus and indicative of a coverup of incompetence or something like that.

Black boxes are supposed to survive aircraft crashes and the like, it not having emergency batteries is weird.

Or indicative of the builders and operators cutting costs while at the same time making sure that any critical data that implicates them is lost somehow.

Captain is probably gonna be the fall guy, incompetent or not.

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Yeah, sabotaging the ship seems pretty unlikely.

People in charge trying to cover up stuff to save their own asses? Well I'd be surprised if they don't do that.

Scottty said:

but surely the black box would have it's own backup supply?

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It does not. The reason is simple, if there is no power, the instruments that it takes data from are also not operational, so there is no need to add a potentional source of failure to the black box, like battery fire.

Rocinante said:

Yeah, sabotaging the ship seems pretty unlikely.

People in charge trying to cover up stuff to save their own asses? Well I'd be surprised if they don't do that.

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We are also undergoing a large competency crisis due to idiotic outsourcing, idiotic cost cutting, and idiotic DEI/ESG requirements.

We have a competency crisis that is causing all these disasters as of late:

Agent23 said:

We are also undergoing a large competency crisis due to idiotic outsourcing, idiotic cost cutting, and idiotic DEI/ESG requirements.

We have a competency crisis that is causing all these disasters as of late:

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So the conversation literally comes full circle...

Is there like an inverse of the Turing Test where you have real people acting like Twitter Bots? I get there are NPCs but are there right wing NPCs in internet culture or is there another term for them?

Zachowon said:

It is .it's a RRF ship.
They never really leave port, and we have a lot of them.

And some people in the comments make sense.
Like, the radios should be independent of the main power, via batteries

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Yeah, not having some handheld battery powered radio's for a back-up is an oversight, that I would agree with.

That may end up as a new reg for the Coasties to enforce on commercial shipping.

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Ban the Panopticon - Vox Popoli

It’s always conveniently turned off whenever anyone in a position of authority is doing something sketchy or wants to retroactively hide something anyhow. And there it is… The Dali ship’s black box has 2 minutes of missing data right before it crashed into the Francis Scott Key bridge It’s not...

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Well, ship was having a power outage... but surely the black box would have it's own backup supply?

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No, a Voyage Data Recorder is not the same as a aircraft type black box, even if they fill similar functions.

No internal battery requirement AFAIK, relies on the sensors attached being powered, and generally picks up far less info than a aircraft type black box system.

Rocinante said:

Yeah, sabotaging the ship seems pretty unlikely.

People in charge trying to cover up stuff to save their own asses? Well I'd be surprised if they don't do that.

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I expect the maintenance paperwork is not going to look good for the ship's owners/operators, and the Coast Guard or NTSB should have all of that by now, or is in the process of getting it.

Husky_Khan said:

So the conversation literally comes full circle...

Is there like an inverse of the Turing Test where you have real people acting like Twitter Bots? I get there are NPCs but are there right wing NPCs in internet culture or is there another term for them?

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Yes, Right-Wing NPCs are very much a thing; the kneejerk contrarian crowd are a good example.

Whatever is 'Left' by the metric's of their contrarian punditry/grifters/preachers must be opposed, without any critical thought to if the issue is actual a 'Left' or even 'Left vs Right' issue or if opposing it is actual necessary or smart.

Some also just want their pet peeves in the news continuously, or want to try to make every event some sort of evidence for/against their pet peeves, and 'never let a crisis go to waste, even if it's not actually involved in my pet peeve directly' is hardly something confined to the Left anymore.

The Horseshoe Theory of Politics keeps getting more and more evidence as time goes by, and the fringes of both sides have far more in common than either wants to admit.

My bet is that this will come down to the owner not wanting to stop earning money by hauling cargo for the time and money it would take to bring the vessels power systems up to spec.

Agent23 said:

Would have to be extremely precise sabotage to take out the engines/electric grid the moment when the ships is moving in the exact direction and speed to hit the pillar.

And, you know, counter any attempts by the crew to stop it, like dropping anchor or restarting the engines.

But an engine of that size would likely need time to rev up and even if you try to steer the ship and or put it in reverse something that big with that much inertia, well, I am kinda skeptical.

That thing is over 300 meters long and can carry the equivalent of over 9000 (pun intended) truck container loads, and probably did.

And to that you can add the tonnage of the ship, itself.

Something like this would be trying to steer an elephant.


I don't think Vox is saying it was on purpose, as much as it is sus and indicative of a coverup of incompetence or something like that.

Black boxes are supposed to survive aircraft crashes and the like, it not having emergency batteries is weird.

Or indicative of the builders and operators cutting costs while at the same time making sure that any critical data that implicates them is lost somehow.

Captain is probably gonna be the fall guy, incompetent or not.

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Pilot nit the Caprain.
Captain has no control over this aspect

Bacle said:

Yeah, not having some handheld battery powered radio's for a back-up is an oversight, that I would agree with.

That may end up as a new reg for the Coasties to enforce on commercial shipping.

No, a Voyage Data Recorder is not the same as a aircraft type black box, even if they fill similar functions.

No internal battery requirement AFAIK, relies on the sensors attached being powered, and generally picks up far less info than a aircraft type black box system.


I expect the maintenance paperwork is not going to look good for the ship's owners/operators, and the Coast Guard or NTSB should have all of that by now, or is in the process of getting it.

Yes, Right-Wing NPCs are very much a thing; the kneejerk contrarian crowd are a good example.

Whatever is 'Left' by the metric's of their contrarian punditry/grifters/preachers must be opposed, without any critical thought to if the issue is actual a 'Left' or even 'Left vs Right' issue or if opposing it is actual necessary or smart.

Some also just want their pet peeves in the news continuously, or want to try to make every event some sort of evidence for/against their pet peeves, and 'never let a crisis go to waste, even if it's not actually involved in my pet peeve directly' is hardly something confined to the Left anymore.

The Horseshoe Theory of Politics keeps getting more and more evidence as time goes by, and the fringes of both sides have far more in common than either wants to admit.

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They are supposed to have other methods of communication....

Zachowon said:

They are supposed to have other methods of communication....

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Yeah, and that is something the Coasties and NTSB are likely to cite them for; the pilot having to use his cell phone to do this is not how things are supposed to operate.