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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Yes,it was logical decision - and they were no obliged to help anyway since our leaders run.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Poland have anti-soviet pact in 1939.Romania do not helped us when soviets attacked - but you could blame it on our leaders,who run instead of fighting. But ordered first not fight soviets.Katyń and other soviet crimes are partially their fault.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Wall Street after WW1 buy tsar gold from bolshewik,when it end they buy stolen church gold/they knew it was stolen/,later grain taken from soviet farmers,when millions as a result died.They also knew that. Big soviet "tractor" manufacturies which made 20.000 tanks before WW2? all thanks to Wall...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Indeed.What an interesting TL - Napoleon fighting for british.French republic defeated and Bourbons restored,what else...maybe retake at least part of USA? Entire North America under british rule would be better for world in long term.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Just like british,who financed anti-royal plots in France after 1780,do not wonted jacobins or Napoleon. Or germans,after using Lenin,wonted replace him with somebody less bloody - but,sadly,nobody in Russia agreed.They all wonted fight for England. Althought,it would be logical if Wall Street...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    All true.I do not belive,like Sutton,that cabal from one american university rule USA/Skull&bones/ ,but he proved,that Wall Street helped soviets,even after WW2. Not for free,of course.They take tsar gold,when it end gold stealed from churches,when it end money from grain taken from dying...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Yep,i am american and estonian spy,too.If your KGB friends get me,i would even agree to be martian one. That aside - Anthony Sutton proved,that Wall Street financed soviets.Possible,when they look relatively harmless to USA.When they take Western Europe and send 50% of populations to...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    After WW2,soviet NKWD generals was frightened how send 50% of population there to gulags after winning WW3,so 20% mortality is plausible.French do not lived there long. Western european praise soviets now - they really need soviet boot to undarstandt reality.50 years of commie hell would help...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Becouse NK get help from China,and Cuba made deal with USA.Nobody would pay their bils in this TL,even Wall Street.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Soviets in 1941 amassed troops on border,including artillery.Ammo was keep on the ground,and they do not planned built schelters for it.Soviet troops could live in winter in tents,but their ammo after such treatment would be scrap metal. They have 16 paratrooper brigades with gliders for...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    1.German newbies was trained by veterans - Then soviet was trained by people who fought,too. 2.Not used,abadonned without fight.During Boldin counterattack soviets had 7-8 artillery regiments,but german defenders reported one artillery battery which harassed them. 3.Against,abadonned on...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Half of german forces never fought anybody - and at least half of milion soviets fought in Finland,so it was not veterans versus greenhorns. Soviet guns was as good or better then germans. Soviet modern planes/Mig3,Pe2/,was as good as best germans.Other when wors,still have 3:1 numerical...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    During 3 weeks,when they made 400-500km,breaked 2 fortified lines,and soviet lost million soldiers and 11.000 tanks -most of which german found abadonned,yet fully functional. If germans infrantry dyvisions could made more then 20km on foot through rivers and fortified lines,and lost 2KIA for...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Besides,it was 3 weeks til 12.7.41.Germans died - but making 400-500km,and soviets lost million soldiers and 11.000 tanks at the same time,not mention 2 fortified lines.Either germans were superhumans for 3 weeks,and later ceased to be,or soviets do not fought as a army.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    You take soviets sources about german losses seriously ? do not be silly.During Chałhun goł first day battle they reported schooting down 30 Ki27.Japaneese have 16,lost 5,not all to fighters. Another example - Ozylia island,germans planned to take soviet coastal battery /3-130/ on Kubassare...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    During first 3 weeks,soviets lost milion soldiers,11.000 tanks,and 400-500km for 22.000 KIA.Which mean,that their infrantry dyvisions made averagely 20km per day on their foot,crossing rivers. Which mean,that they do not figh-becouse infrantry dyvision was making 30km per day on their own...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Indeed.There was even worker uprising in Moscow against soviets.And there is excellent book by Jurgen Thorwald " The Illusion - soviets soldiers in Hitler armies" - 4 millions of soldiers surrender to german almost without fight in 1941 - they murdered most of them,instead of use against...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Which still hated kolchoz system.Just gave people there land,and let them made crops.Ukraine feed entire Europe from 17th century - till Stalin made kolchoz system.Then hunger started. But - he was beliver,so he must destroy any private property,even if that crippled his state. And those...
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Becouse almost all ukrainian-speaking people considering themselves locals in 1918.In 1941 most were arleady ukrainians.
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    Alternate History Could Operation Barbarossa had been succesful megathread

    Indeed. I read about soviet "partisants" on Belarussia - in fact,groups was formed by NKWD send there by air during nights - but in 1943.Why not in 1942? becouse of german terror? many villages there do not saw even one german soldier during war. No,peasants and deserters hiding there simply...
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