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Shit, I'd forgotten Fried is a slavery apologist on top of everything else. I mean between this obsession he has with trying to refight the battles over porn and gay marriage is bad enough, but damn. And you brought receipts for everything he said, too. He's like a walking, talking advert for...

Or perhaps the Right can adapt and evolve to deal with the modern world and modern political realities, instead of trying to turn back the clock or refight battles it has already lost. As Nick Fury said in the first Avengers "We deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be." Learn to...

You seemed to have missed them basically trying to redo segregation under the guise of woke shit.

There is more than 'progressive' or 'regressive' in the political spectrum, and most people (unlike you) are not interested in wasting time on battles that cannot be won, or have already been fought and lost. I am a Registered Independent for a reason, and it's because I am only allied with the...

That was very much not what you seemed to be asking for in your post. Though to answer that, now that you've clarified, I will simply point out you have to be operating from the premise of 'porn is bad' if you are demanding 'proof' that it isn't bad.

All the evidence about the Tipper Gore/Jack Thompson role-play is right in the thread.

This entire thread is one long Tipper Gore/Jake Thompson role play by the people who want to go after porn. There is no 'Political Problem' when it comes to porn, outside the heads of a few Regressive Right radicals.

You said: It wasn't European's who first set foot on this continent, nor were the native without 'civilization', either. You have a very 'white/European America is only REAL America' mindset, and seem to think you understand what the Founders wanted for the nation better than the actual...

Hmm, so you think the ancestors of Aluet and Inuit are the ones who get to define what American values are. Good to know you are so...well educated about America's past.

Oh FFS, why are we having this fight, AGAIN?! No one is going to change any minds, the debate will just go round in circles, and people will again be reminded why the Right isn't actually trustworthy when it comes to picking fights it can actually win or just break even on. If you are going to...

And yet we can send 18 yo to die for their nation, charge them as adults in crimes, and allow them to vote. But go ahead, keep showing how much if an authoritarian, puritanical idiot you are.

You are acting like the idiots who wanted to blame 'violent video games' for the Columbine shooting. It was dumb then, it's dumb now. Do you like it when the Left uses any shooting, outside of urban ghettos (which they ignore for narrative purposes), to push for more anti-gun laws? Because...

Yep; people harping on porn as an issue don't seem to get the real issues causing problems are economic, or economically derived, for the most part. But economic issues are tricky, complicated, and require multi-prong approaches to address, as well as an ability to accept that trying to rewind...

"Give me liberty, or give me death." Is one of the most potent lines to come out of the early days of the US, and for good reason.

I think it is possible to get people to...not abandon their principles, but to accept their principles may not be the end all, be all of morality. I think there are more pragmatic, practical, and realistic people in the world than dogmatic or principles hardliners.

I agree dropping birth rates is absolutely an issue. But dropping birthrates is more an issue of economic problems than 'moral degeneracy' from porn or the presence of those types of fringe activities (I fully agree the trans fringes hurt society; men are never women and vis versa). It's...

Whenever I hear people bleating about degeneracy and such, while acting like that (if it is even actually happening) will lead to societal collapse, and going on about how the future will return to their values from the past, I cannot help but roll my eyes. It's like they want society to...

Ah, but then how would the loan companies, for-profit colleges, and bankers make a profit? What those who cling and look to 'traditional values' don't get is that the system has changed, the world has changed, and not in their favor. It has built up inertia, just like an avalanche, and they are...

Don't you know, it's so much easier to pretend that the system hasn't become designed to fuck over people with debt, than to admit doing porn to get through college is now an economically viable way to do things and that chastity is overrated and not terribly valued by modern society. Clinging...

What of the entirely nude tribes found in, say, the Amazon? And whether it is our custom or not has no relevance to the question I asked, which gets to the heart of this whole 'modesty' bit. Are missionaries who seek out those sorts of tribes, and try to force western views of what is 'modest'...