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  1. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Well yes, given my neighbor revealed himself as a closet racist to me because he thought I was like minded. This is a man who made a career as a city attorney, is part of the local GOP election/vote collecting group (we have mail in voting for everyone), and has a part time job working for the...
  2. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    And when they know someone is a racist, but keep them around because they are clever and smart enough not to say shit where it can leak out to media or social media? Because I have no doubt no that this happens, and am no longer willing to give the Right the benefit of the doubt on these...
  3. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    I'm not expecting the Right to be saints, but I do expect them to be aware enough to know that they have issues they could address, if they cared to. This simply isn't true, and is another act of pure tribalism. That particular Lee statue is more nuanced, I agree. But he's still a traitor at...
  4. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    I don't care if it upsets them anymore, because this is shit that needed saying. I bring these issues up because the simple fact is I actually believe the Right is capable of doing the hard work needed to clean house and improve their image. If I didn't think these issues could be addressed...
  5. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Except they don't, for the most part. Some of the Far-Left do simply want anyone right of Bernie dead, that's true. However, some simply do not like Confederate monuments and such remaining in public places or on government land. The problem here is most of you are trying to paint the people...
  6. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    That is one way to see those monuments, and not unreasonable from certain perspectives. However the fact is there are a growing number of people who do not see them as reminders to learn from and not repeat. They see them as giving dignity and honor to the symbols of traitors, or as rallying...
  7. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    I am for preserving them in museums, not in/on/at public places and government buildings. It's a nuance that usually gets lost in these fights.
  8. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Going after Jefferson and the like is uncalled for, and I have never supported that type of stuff. Getting Confederate items out of public and government spaces is not at all the same thing. I am not 'appeasing' anyone with my distaste for Confederate symbols and they represent. Now your view...
  9. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    One thing the Right could do is not try to act like removing Confederate monuments and such is so horrible. Trump's reasoning for not renaming bases does not hold for slave auction blocks, Confederate flags, and the like on public/gov grounds. Stop fighting their removal from public places, and...
  10. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Among the younger bits of the GOP, this is probably true. Among the older bits, it's the closet racists and Ethno-nationalists who are the unsavory types. They are just more clever and smart (most of the time) about who they express those sentiments around, so they are less visible and harder...
  11. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Sometimes the smears are deserved and/or accurate, have you considered that? The GOP should not welcome them anymore than the Dems should welcome Antifa.
  12. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    They want the truth and transparency from the Left, but are unwilling to deal with the devil's in thier own house And they wonder why the Left's lies have gained such power. No, they do hit them when they have official capacity, like with King. I am talking about the...questionable parts of...
  13. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    I have repeatedly tried to point things out, but people don't want to listen and understand, only deflect, deny, and get angry. The Left's 'lies' only work because the Right doesn't address the kernals of truth that they are built around, and seems to refuse to acknowledge those kernals even...
  14. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    I am aware of the lies told about Ferguson, and the other lies the Left has put out. But you keep harping on 'show me platform and policy stances' when THAT IS NOT WHERE THE ISSUE IS! I'm done trying to get people to understand that the Right has image issues, and not just because of 'lies'...
  15. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    This could become a detail of we go farther on that point, but as I and others have tried to point out, those 'lies' exist because there are kernals of truth to them. Until Conservatives are willing to reckon with those kernals of truth, and why the Left has built such effective 'lies' around...
  16. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    The first part is something conservatives do have going for them. But it's worth pointing it out again. As for the jobs, I have a damn good point about it. Until conservatives are willing to move into academia and media en mass and in a sustained way, they won't win any cultural battles, even...
  17. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    The fact is, people here need to understand that this is not a fight they can win by 'defeating' the Left and their power base. Not as they are now, anyway. Trump can set them back in ways, and get them to take off their masks so the lunacy is on full display. What you can do to 'defeat' them...
  18. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Not even going to do you the dignity of reading your blackpill bullshit. In fact, you are simply going on Ignore, so I no longer need to waste any time even viewing your toxic bullshit.
  19. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    Someone not so fucking full of themselves, or convinced that dragging people over the edge actually helps them in a meaningful way, or who takes life lessons from a failed apprentice to Sidious. I mean fuck, do you know how fucking stupid and nihilistic you sound to anyone not already...
  20. Bacle

    Culture Conservatives Optics Problem & Historical Revisionism/Iconoclasm

    You seem dead set on attempting to blackpill everyone here, and are very much acting like the Sith you emulate in trying to drive those with hope into hopelessness.
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