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I'm aware most people, even those who profess to read the Bible, have no idea what the law actually says. I wanted to see if DirtbagLeft had really read it or just gotten a cliff notes for his "God is evil" spiel, and also possibly broaden his horizons if the latter was true. The laws were...

Your assumption that nobody can disagree with you without either lying, arguing in bad faith, or being a degenerate is troublesome. You really should lighten up and accept that it's possible for two people to actually disagree, and as the Boot said, perhaps participate in some other threads so...

I think we're getting way off course here and need to get back to discussing actual Socialism and Nazism rather than Hollywood. Plenty of threads to complain about movies around here. @DirtbagLeft, we've pretty much debunked the Lenin quote on three grounds: It predates the Soviet Union, and...

To be fair, The Little Red Book greatly exceeds Lord of the Rings in sales so there's that. Though there's this one little epic that, while apolitical itself, is generally disliked by socialists...

Yeah, we all have real lives and taking a few days for research is perfectly acceptable, but I think you're researching the wrong thing. Frankly all you're doing bringing the same, repeatedly discredited quote back again is hurting your own position. Even if we granted you a bye on the massive...

I decided I should answer this as well, by pointing out nobody can possibly answer. Nobody hear can read the mind of a dead man. If you have quotes showing what he felt was missing, and specific ones mind you, not this "we are transitioning" pap that's designed so that you can interpret it...

Which is the problem, you seem to be presuming that you can dictate other people's actions. Debates don't work that way, you make a point and your opponent counters it, if you think you can force people to agree with you you're delusional, you don't get to "look for" a specific answer if the...

You've had your answer almost a dozen times now from multiple people. The USSR itself was missing. When Lenin wrote the quote you're relying on, the USSR didn't exist yet, and wouldn't for several more years because they were still fighting a revolution. Further Lenin would have written it...

Now this is really bizarre. You literally responded with the same question to a quotation of mine answering that question. Left Wing Childishness was written in 1918. There was still revolutionary fighting going on so settling that would be kinda important. But the real hilariousness is the...

Yes, I know. Debate like this is generally not useful for convincing a true believer, it's like arguing with a rock. However if we only debated people who could be convinced, there'd be very little debate on the internet. The point is to convince other, interested but undecided people who...

It means that, when the revolution was only a few months old and fighting was still going on, Lenin felt he hadn't attained True Communism yet. It's not like I haven't told you that in some variation half a dozen times already. I've also pointed out why using a quote about transition from...

“When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less." Alice: Through the Looking Glass Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy to mix socialism and capitalism after the complete failure that came from putting the...

Your entire position that Russia, and the Nazis, were not socialist is a no true Scotsman fallacy in the first place. I've been trying to meet you halfway, debate you in your own terms, you're literally pointing out your own fallacious reasoning and applying it to others now because I'm trying...

It's not something I personally believe, but I'm trying to communicate with DirtbagLeft in a way he understands and without making it excessively hostile. If he wants to argue that Lenin didn't create socialism purely because of how one quotation I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt...

No, I provided the Stalin quote since you were complaining about how hard it was. Your argument revolves around Lenin's idea that they hadn't attained socialism yet. That means we can ignore anything else about Lenin and look at what came after since Lenin hadn't attained socialism yet. And...

So... not Lenin saying the USSR wasn't socialist at all, in other words. You need something more along the lines of "The USSR is not socialist. -Vladimir Lenin, 1934" to prove your point, not saying "well he promised X and it didn't happen." All your quote proves is that socialism failed to...

No no, nothing to consider, no changing the subject to programs. Show me the quotes and when they were said by the leaders of major socialist countries in which they stated their nations were not socialist.

@DirtbagLeft, if possible I'd like to see your actual quotes as well as the dates those men said that their countries were not socialist. First to quell the perception that people say they're making socialism, and then that it wasn't true socialism afterwards when it didn't work, and to help...