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And what's the rule? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Not a reaction billions of times higher than what was put in. Granted this is most often applied to kinetic energy but it's true for all other energy types as well. But let's say I concede the point and we take...

Okay, on the one hand I can see you have a good point here. On the other hand using that kind of reasoning basically makes vs. debates impossible in the first place. We use physics as a baseline to make sense of existing feats, once you let go of that you have no basis for comparison anymore...

That wouldn't explain the entire planet shattering into an asteroid field though, he had to add enough energy for every atom of the planet to escape it's own gravity. That said, if this was the only line of reasoning in that direction it could be wrong. But we have Green Lanterns stating that...

Generally my feeling as well. Batman with preptime is usually regarded as excessively powerful in vs. debates. Batman with preptime and the entire League worth of options available to plan with is just excessive, Akatsuki can win but I don't see them taking it by force but rather by their...

You... seriously believe those massive craters are smaller than the small dust cloud you posted? How? Are you posting on a braille translator?

Downplayed? I did, because you picked an idiot picture of Pein's destruction instead of going for one that actually showed some real power. If you'd led with this: Or if you want to stick to the manga, this: You could have done much better, and I wouldn't have been able to downplay it. As...

Aside from all the proof presented so far of course. We've got three major events, Green Lantern being accused of blowing up a planet and nobody discounting the feat, the group of lanterns noting that if they try to fight Amazo, half the earth will be shattered just as a by-product of the...

Sure it is. While we're looking at Amazo, let's see what happened to Oa. Now again Oa wasn't actually destroyed but rather teleported. However, all the Green Lanterns were firmly convinced that Oa had been vaporized by Amazo in seconds. Yet the Green Lanterns still had every confidence as...

A feat that everybody in the universe agrees he's capable of is not conjecture. This, OTOH, is conjecture. Also the GL engaged him in space.

Yes... and as I pointed out in my first post, said frame job would have fallen apart instantly if John Stewart could just point and say "You know I don't have enough power to do that right?" Nobody, not him, nobody on the JL, nor even the Guardians when they showed up suggested the feat was...

No, I thought my post was clear that the JL has decent odds of winning. All but two, maybe three of the Akatsuki will go down with no appreciable damages to the JL. The issue is that Zetsu has good odds of sneaking away, and Obito can teleport away; and the rules of this scenario require the...

As far as power Akatsuki are hopelessly outmatched. Episode 4 and 5 involved John Stewart destroying a planet, by accident. Granted it turned out he didn't actually do it but nobody at the trial questioned that he could accidentally turn a planet into an asteroid field without trying and that...