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Point of order, as the person making the allegation the burden is on you to prove your point, not call for me to disprove it, especially if all you've got is "I've heard stories." As it is, your claims fly in the face of evidence already presented, we know that the cost of putting safety...

If you want to take that course, prove your assertion and show your evidence that it declined, that relative risk changed, show your proof that frequency and danger level changed over time.

This is not true, cases of Phossy Jaw did not begin to decline until 1906, after white phosphorus was made illegal. I tend to agree. The NAP has serious issues in that, well, it's a pact and unless you have some higher tier of power enforcing it, it's only as good as the word of the person...

Fair enough, with a word as fuzzy as "good" there's no small amount of room for interpretation. I've found that in comic-book circles the CCA isn't well respected but that doesn't mean they never accomplished any good ever. That's not really relevant to this discussion though, where we're...

This is true, however it's somewhat orthogonal to my point which is that his examples of non-government regulatory agencies aren't actually working as he suggested, but are rather scams or are actually government regulated. A better example for his purposes might be the Comics Code Authority...

One should also consider that a significant chunk of modern governments are at least ostensibly election-based and chosen by the people. Therefore one can make a reasonable argument that the citizen has had influence on and made the choice to remain with their nation. One can make a reasonable...

The issue here is that Lord Humongous will also shoot you and probably the first time you say no, so cutting back government beyond a set amount only makes things worse. For what it's worth I consider you one of the more sane Libertarians. This issue with this kind of non-governmental...

I find the NAP to be a bit like the Jedi Code, in that both are extremely short and clearly insufficient for the conclusions people derive out of them. There is no emotion, there is peace.There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.There is no passion, there is serenity.There is no chaos, there...

Yes, of course, to both. Economics covers the exchange of goods and services, with ideas being a thing that is commonly bought and sold. One of the services normally sought by most humans is security/protection from being robbed or enslaved. As far as "This specific Libertarian Theory" covers...

You've already answered your own question here.

Okay then....

But does his chain of logic include homo economicus? If so, where? If not, you need to retract your claim that it does and concede the point.

Then why are you bothering to debate? You use the fallacy of reductio ad absurdum. All things are the same, there is no difference between anything, the only basis for argument is "I say so." There can be no meaningful discussion when everything's the same. Do you have any reason to say this...

Which is another goalpost move on your part and unrelated to the allegations of homo economicus. You're also falling into the "hyper-generalize until everything's the same" fallacy. "People will try to get stuff they need and/or want" is the basis of libertarianism, capitalism, socialism...

Wow, look at those goalposts move! That's not remotely related to the homo economicus or rationality criticisms, you're arguing something entirely different now. I'll actually agree with you on those, being a lapsed libertarian myself I have criticisms of the NAP and I've never gotten an...

Well no, that's step 1, not the alpha and omega of economic theory. It does show that the homo economicus and people aren't rational criticisms are both strawmen though.

How on earth do you come up with that? "People will try to get things they want" is not exactly a hot take.

That's not what rational means in the context of economics. Economists do not typically look at Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality and think: "Hmm, yeah this is a good behavioral framework to base our theories of society on." In economic theory "rational" simply means that if people...