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  1. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I'm not talking about rifles. I'm talking artillery. Teaching Private Fumbles to push the round into the breech the sharp-end first - that's a week. Teaching an Officer to interpret data, to replay and issue fire orders, that is half a year at the very least. And those artillery pieces need to...
  2. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    And the AEF was armed with French made ordnance ... All Maxim's designs were in Europe. Lewis quit the US Army and set up shop in Europe too. Everything has to be set up from scratch. Hopefully Browning would be in the US at that time - he split his time between Colt and FN. Agreeing on...
  3. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    A mob with rifles. Which is fully adequate to take Canada, I admit. But artillery and machinegunes? Three-four years from the starting point, if not longer. Hmm - some ordnance being license made German/Austrian designs, from blueprints brought over by submarine?
  4. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    Maybe. Depends if "white peace" or "curbstomp".
  5. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I agree that this is indeed the most likely scenario and accurate depiction of OTL events. Teaboo - LOL! Didn;t know this expression :) As to Bermuda - yes, this is the dagger on America's throat.
  6. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I do not expect anybody to invade and occupy the USA. Which works both ways as the USA cannot meaningfully harm the Entente i.e. attack its core territories either. However, the USA wins by forcing Europeans to make peace*, meaning that the USA can go back to selling stuff to everybody. *...
  7. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    There is nothing important west of Winnipeg ... Bubba runs to hide from enraged praire dwellers and Colombians True. Canada is not so relevant for the big picture.
  8. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I was responding, erroneously, to "what if USA joined the CP in 1914". A scenario in which no such dependency and thus need for Dollars would had ever formed. Now, as to finding replacements for those imports in 1916/17 once the USA joins the CP in 1916 - oil can be sourced from ME and NOI. It...
  9. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    LOL! I missed the "1916" in the OP :) Sadly the OP deigned to tell us when in 1916. Nevertheless that changes things somewhat :), as by then the Entente has become accustumed to buying from the US.
  10. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    No Canadians, I agree. No Indian troops ever saw the Atlantic, hence I do not see the relevance. In OTL had a very brief presence in France - and landed in Marsellies. Otherwise in Middle East or East Africa. Just like in 18th Century Britain paid Prussia, here the UK would pay (suitably...
  11. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    1 - IMO the USA overruns Canada. Nova Scotia should hold, however. 2a - Mayhaps you are thinking of the XIXth Corps? That was from Algeria. Other French Colonial troops on the Western Front came from sub-Saharan Africa. 2b - the UK does not get Imperial Stormtroopers, i.e. the Canadian Corps...
  12. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    What shipping? The board has been reset, this is not a replay of OTL WWI/WWII. Shipping lanes will be different. Besides Halifax/St.John (which I do not see the UK losing, unless very unlucky) military supply convoys, there will be no Entente flagged Europe-North America traffic. Ships sailing...
  13. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I've given a POD - in 1914 Wilson stands up for the rights of Neutrals. Briths/French "rules of blockade" had been concocted in the early hours of the day they were announced and contravened what the UK championed in the 19th century ... In OTL, due to his need for votes from the SOuth, the...
  14. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    So, the HSF breaks out and does what, exactly?
  15. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    The Entente in 1917 was running on fumes of its ability to obtain Dollars. In this scenario there is no need for Dollars, as the UK/France make stuff at home or buy abroad for Pounds/Franks. Germany and A-H somehow made it without US loans and supplies to 1918 ... The naval war indeed might be...
  16. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    Hear! Hear! With no "wait for Americans strategy", the French would had done something else. Like adopt "bite and hold" a year earlier? An argument can be made that Passchendaele 'campaign' broke the back of the German army, as they oh-so ingeniously counterattacked against British artillery...
  17. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    I don't think the details of OTL 1917/18 events are pertinent, as up to that point the war had run with a pro-Entent neutral USA. With a hostile USA since 1914 events would had run very differently. So there very well might had been no mutinies in the French army. Also, these mutinies were...
  18. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    Effects of hostile USA in 1914 are negligible. By 1915 the Entente will have workarounds. IMO the money aspect is overblown. The British&French were running out of Dollars, not money as such - here they would not need Dollars as they would be buying from smaller, weaker suppliers who will accept...
  19. Buba

    What if america joined the central powers

    The USA could had gone to war with the Entente in 1914 over the trampling of Neutral's rights. Just like in 1812. However, America joins the Central Powers with WHAT exactly? The US has no army to speak off and a middling navy. And it will have no army to speak off before 1919. So, military...
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