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  1. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    There's a lot of assumptions here. Your assuming that the "strong"'s interests align with the "weak". Your assuming the "strong" are strong when, depending on the exact circumstances, that could be quite debatable. You make the assumption that because BLM was desired by those same "strong"...
  2. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    I would say we simply have different ideas of "self-interest". From what I can gather you view the group is in people's self-interest and therefore you assume any action that goes against the group is against one's own self-interest. I would say it would be more accurate that I believe everyone...
  3. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Well the idea is it only takes one person to do something and not be stopped for others to follow suit. The broken window theory were as soon as it's shown that you'll accept a broken window others will start breaking them collectively as individuals. Which is likely the biggest difference...
  4. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    You really can't "counter" my theory because I also appeal to human nature and historical precedent. In some cases the same precedent ala Covid. We simply have very differing viewpoints of humanity which leads us to very different expectations. Short of actually ending world civilization I'm not...
  5. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Fair point, fair point.
  6. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Yes, I postulated plunging the world back to the dark age would lead to, among other things, chaos and rioting. Your argument against boiled down to how many cars the world had missing, in my view, the entire point I was suggesting. As for Covid, I said it was an example of panicking, not of...
  7. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    The problem is without establishing what a worst case scenario entails we really can't say anything. In this particular case I was envisioning this as an alternative to the nuke them till they glow strategy. Thus, should it have proven practical to do so, I would have aimed to render as close to...
  8. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    And that's fine. I just don't see why he couldn't say that instead of his actual argument.
  9. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    I assume by "expensive" you mean in terms of energy expended? I would think it couldn't be much more intensive than shuttling armies to and from orbit. Even if not, in the lead-up before orbital bombardment, conventional or nuclear, I'd likely dump/swarm the necessary spy drones over the...
  10. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    I know the two biggest issues to be discussed would be area of effect and the vulnerability. None of which you seemed interested in discussing. Instead going off with calculations that, without answering the above, were pretty meaningless.
  11. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Quite possibly but he hasn't addressed that in any shape. Instead his argument appears to be based around "advanced civilization s" are just too massive to damage rather than EMP to shield against. Ie that in a worst case scenario the civilian number of cars/military could just pick up any...
  12. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    I legitimately don't think you understand what an EMP weapon does. Or at least you have stubburnly refused to address it instead focusing on number of vehicles per person as if that would matter if the electrical is fried and gas pumps don't work.
  13. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Well if fanfics have thought me anything, Seven would be willing to risk one of those things. xD
  14. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    There's a difference between looking for the highest examples, say hypothetically only using TOS speed figures, and using actual examples from the show. Oddly you seem almost uninterested in Trek as a show seemingly only caring about backstage or supplemental material. Now if you want to talk...
  15. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    PARIS: Warp nine point nine. In your terms, that's about four billion miles a second. -The 37's (Voy, Season 2) Voyager is capable of far faster speeds than under 1000c. Logically "maximum speed" in this context is maximum speed that could be realistically maintain which is likely around warp 6...
  16. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Is there a reason you're assuming an interstellar navy is relying on purely orbital surveillance? I would think if you can so trivially move armies between worlds you could drop a spy buoy into place and just keep readjusting it position to stay perfectly still in relation to your target rather...
  17. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    I think mostly because the two broad schools of thought being discussed consist of 1.) Orbital superiority is a massive trump card and advantage rendering ground forces either irrelevant or more niche, "brown water navy" type role or 2.) Ground superiority is so massive a trump rendering...
  18. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Well I think you're overly fixating one one small facet, whether or not people will charge machine guns, and missing the proverbial forest for the trees. Specifically that riots hardly have to be against machine gun nests or even have the overthrow of the government in mind. When they could...
  19. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Would be curious on how practical/impractical utilizing an EMP weapon might be as part of the lead up to invasion. The military would be hard-wired against it but I don't know how practical that would be to do for the civilian sector. Best case scenario you'd plunge a large swath of the...
  20. Crom's Black Blade

    The Role of Ground Forces in Interstellar Warfare

    Well obviously Fluff would take priority to game mechanics I would think.
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