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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    More, concerning the Veracruz Incident: Wilson had as much to regret in his supporters as in his critics. The Confederate veterans of Huntsville, Alabama, wanted it known they were available to serve, as was Theodore Roosevelt, who volunteered to raise a brigade of Rough Riders to invade...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    That's an interesting statement because @SpicyJuan directed me to The Lost History of 1914 by Jack Beatty and I'm currently going through its chapter on Mexico and American relations with it. Of note is this passage concerning President Wilson's early policy efforts to deal with the turmoil: In...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    I got a copy of Charles Emmerson's 1913, which has a chapter specifically on Mexico which was very revealing: Where exactly America ended and where Mexico began was hard to say. In principle, the boundary between the two countries was defined by a line on a map: gently east from California...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    Is about eight months sufficient lol? I've been thinking about this recently again too and seeing this edit I hadn't seen previously made me want to come back to talk about this again even more. Hope things got better on your end. So, firstly, after discussing this elsewhere I have started...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    We don't have to assume Congress would approve a military in 1920 because in 1919 said force already existed; total U.S. Armed Forces strength in 1919 was 1,172,602 of whom 851,624 were U.S. Army. They did do further demobilizations in 1920 but that was in the context of a peace time situation...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    You said yourself Britain did not have tariffs until 1931, so which way is it? Focusing in on Stresemann, you're willfully misquoting and distorting what Tooze wrote, however: It would be wrong, of course, to deny that there are continuities that connect all sides in the strategic debate in...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    The Philippine War featured 126,000 American soldiers deployed to fight the insurgency, so yes, it was lower in raw terms but in terms of proportion it was not in comparison to what would be needed to occupy Mexico. The Philippines in 1900 had 6.5 Million, which means the 126,000 Americans...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    Using diplomacy and economics to change the Versailles order-with the consent of the Allies themselves-is about as far from starting a World War as one can get. Yes, Stresemann was a German nationalist who never apologized for wanting his nation to win World War I (Really, why should he have?)...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    I do agree now that outright annexation is unlikely, but something like the Commonwealth Status of the Philippines or Puerto Rico seems plausible for the reasons you outline; there's not an immediate, acceptable alternative. This requires the U.S. to stay in and maintain the occupation until...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    From Page 2 of The Wages of Destruction: It would be wrong, of course, to deny that there are continuities that connect all sides in the strategic debate in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s to the imperialist legacy of the Wilhelmine era.3 Hostility towards the French and Poles and imperial...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    Taking the position WWII is inevitable, I've considered two different scenarios for it: A) OTL WWII, but with the only difference being Richard Sorge dying in a motorcycle incident in early 1941. As a result, Stalin doesn't order the partial mobilization he historically did and he is late in...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    The Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze makes a very convincing case that WWII was avoidable, in that what ended up happening with the rise of the NSDAP was the result of a variety of factors coming together. The most likely outcome was something like what happened in Iberia, with a military-led...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    So WWII is kinda questionable with a PoD of 1919, but assuming it does happen the U.S. would probably enter with three distinct advantages that I can think of: 1. The larger standing Army and reserves, compared to OTL, would constitute a lot of mobilization experience and training expertise...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    The vast majority of the World War I force had already been demobilized by this point, with the Joint Board calling for a force of about 400,000 to be used on Mexico in comparison to the 4 Million raised during the former conflict. Total U.S. Armed Forces strength in 1919 was 1,172,602 of whom...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    So, the PoD is easy: Wilson recovers a few days later, by which point Secretary of State Lansing and Senator Fall have forced the conflict with Mexico and Wilson has no choice but to persecute it. Planning done over the course of 1919 suggested about 400,000 troops were needed for the...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    One development of note is, given the nature of the 1920 Election, who would win the GOP nomination? For example, the case of Leonard Wood: After having considered a candidacy in 1916, in 1920 Wood was a serious contender for the Republican nomination.[42] The major candidates were Senator...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    The proximate cause for the conflict was the kidnapping of William Jenkins, who was an American consular official. After his release, Mexican authorities arrested him, claiming he was behind his own kidnapping; of the sources listed, the majority conclusion is that this was untrue and probably...
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    Second Mexican American War in 1919

    In 1919, there was a major war scare with Mexico over the attack on American diplomats and a threat to nationalize the oil industry (largely owned by Americans), which gave at the worst possible point as America was already in the throes of the First Red Scare. Congress at this time also...
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