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  1. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    Long wasn't a Socialist, for one, and as for "how" you've changed everything from February of 1933 on in politics for the United States. Let us say that, for example, the day Long was shot historically he's actually been called for a meeting with President Garner over a Senate Bill or instead...
  2. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    The United States and British Bankruptcy, 1944-1945: Responsibilities Deferred by George C. Herring, Jr, Political Science Quarterly, Vol. 86, No. 2 (Jun., 1971), pp. 260-280: Officials of the British Treasury first requested American aid for reconstruction in mid-1944 when they began to...
  3. History Learner

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    Because these forces are from Mid-November, a month after Stalin considered fleeing the city in Mid-October. As for Jukes, I'm aware he used the term "reserve" but the context of the rest of the sentence explains it. Because the standing Army could not do it on its own? Either way, at this...
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    Jukes is saying they only had 58 Divisions at the end, not a 58 Division reserve in addition to the 80 alleged. Further, the video in question never states 80 Divisions. As a result, since they quoted from David Glantz at the start of it, I decided to check my copy of When Titans Clashed (2015...
  5. History Learner

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    I can't find this link you're referring to, but again, there's no citation about 80 Divisions by the start of November I'm aware of. The Second World War: The Eastern Front 1941–1945 by Geoffrey Jukes on Pages 33-34 says the following: The official German assessment of 1 December, that the Red...
  6. History Learner

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    I do not know what site you refer to, but there are no citations for the claim of 80 Divisions around Moscow in October that I am aware of. Although I do not what resource they are using, it seems likely they have confused what was available in December-January for that in Mid-October...
  7. History Learner

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    Sure, but that results in a captured or dead Stalin. Again, I do understand, that's why I cited the 24 trains per day on the Minks Railway bit by August; the capacity was there and increasingly so by late September/early October. As for the supplies and crews, said trucks were moved from...
  8. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    Major Naval units were not diverted to the Far East until 1941.
  9. History Learner

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    Stalin only committed to such on the 15th, and had a train prepared to take him to behind the Volga: Moscow was defended by less than 100,000 troops and preparations were being made to move the government east, to Kuibyshev on the Volga. A secret document (no. 34) from the State Defence...
  10. History Learner

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    I apologize for the delay in responding until now. The standing orders on October 15th were to destroy any vital infrastructure and evacuate the city; no orders were in place to raise militias and no weapons on hand with which to arm them. Efforts to do this earlier in the campaign had ended...
  11. History Learner

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    I understand this is your position but the problem with it that I'm trying to point out is that there were no Soviet forces in Moscow to turn it into a Stalingrad. This is why Zhukov stated the following: “It was an extremely dangerous situation,” Zhukov says in the 1966 recording, responding...
  12. History Learner

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    Okay, so which way is it? You're arguing that logistical difficulties prevent a German capture of Moscow; how then do they get "burnt up in urban fighting" if they haven't been able to reach it in the first place? If such is your position, then how do the Soviets achieve such an envelopment...
  13. History Learner

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    How exactly do the Soviets achieve such a victory? If you're arguing their logistics prevent them from making a decisive advance on Moscow, how exactly do they expose themselves to such an event when it failed to occur under the exact same historical circumstances? With regards to a long war...
  14. History Learner

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    No problem. Agreed that small matters and such will be different, but I think the overall trendlines would stay the same since those are very hard to change. President Hoover was still in office and would be until March, at which time Garner would become President, so there is no sudden...
  15. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    For ease of reply, I'm gonna split this post in two if that's okay? At this time in American politics, the inauguration is in March so Hoover was still President in February of 1933. Thus, the transfer of power would be seamless to Garner in that respect, so no lost time. As far as what Garner...
  16. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    Adolf Hitler had already become Chancellor on January 30, 1933 while Zangara's assassination attempt was in February of 1933, so it wouldn't affect that. As far as political differences between FDR and how that relates to the economic recovery: President Roosevelt had an extremely ambitious...
  17. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    With regards to the Soviets: Western Aid for the Soviet Union During World War II: Part II by Denis Havlat: During World War II the Soviet Union received large amounts of aid from the Western world in the form of supplies and military intervention, both of which were declared to have been...
  18. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    For my own take, with regards to the UK, I cite from Denis Havlat (2017) Western Aid for the Soviet Union During World War II: Part I, The Journal of Slavic Military Studies: Between January 1939 and June 1940, the combined French and British orders of military planes had amounted to 10,800...
  19. History Learner

    WI: No Lend Lease

    PoD: Zangara successfully kills FDR in 1933, resulting in a Garner Presidency until 1940 followed by Huey Long in that year. With Garner a lame duck and Long having no interest in the European war, no Lend Lease comes to pass and the U.S. maintains a strict Cash and Carry policy. Without Lend...
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