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  1. History Learner

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    A reporter makes the statement that he saw some Chinese drinking Pepsi at a protest and we're supposed to infer the mass of the Chinese body politics is wanting Western luxury goods and thus is Pro Western? Meanwhile, multiple U.S. diplomatic personnel and the Ambassador himself saying they are...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I don't really understand why we need to dismiss the Ambassador's statements in favor of statements concerning Pepsi, but I don't think you realize how tense and violent the situation was: In Chengdu, the capital of the southwestern province of Sichuan, protesters swarmed over the walls of the...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Chinese crowds besieged the American Embassy and other diplomatic locations in China after the bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Serbia: Chinese protesters infuriated by the deadly NATO bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia continued violent demonstrations into their third day today...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Yes, I consider the policy of the 1990s unique; the Cold War had just ended and the Baby Boomers came into clear political power with Clinton. The decisions that resulted in the decline of American industry could thus be averted with a PoD then, although specifically in the context of the...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    That's exactly what I'm arguing against; there's no evidence it's ASB or even that the causes lay further back outside of specific industries. There's numerous studies cited that show it all traces back to the 1990s for the most part, with the decline in capitol goods investments and the Chinese...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I just don't see any evidence to blame Japan for the rise of the Rust Belt; U.S. industrial employment was still rising until 1978 and thereafter was stable for decades. I can understand arguing delayed effects, but 30 years rather boggles the imagination if we are assuming profit motive, which...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Might be something I'll dig into one day, thanks for letting me know those datasets existed.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    General, never looked at it on the sub-national level but I would not be surprised if it was steady if you expanded your look into wider metropolitan area.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Industrial employment in raw numbers didn't peak until 1978, and thereafter was relatively stable until the late 1990s/early 2000s. Most of the Rustbelt cities can be explained by White Flight; Detroit in particular is a good example when you look at the decline of the city proper stacked...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    You'd have to change some stuff with the automakers as well as avoid the Race Riots, but it's certainly doable.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I think any city that burned down would count, given the need to rebuild and population exodus that occurs after such events. For some others in this vein, I'd point out Waco, Texas (Yes, that Waco) in the 1950s had a terrible setback when a tornado destroyed its downtown areas. Had that not...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Port Nelson for the guy who died on the Titanic, while Frankfurt was seriously considered for the capital of West Germany IOTL. Thessaloniki would probably do great in a surviving Byzantium/Bulgarian Empire TL.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    The U.S. developing a HSR system, such as these various proposals show, would obviously be a net boon for the cities in question. This thread has a lot of good information and suggested PoDs. Sorry for the Ameri-centric nature of my suggestions so far, I'm not really well versed in city...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    The United Party winning the 1948 South African elections seems like a clear cut way to make cities like Cape Town larger and more grand by bringing in millions of European immigrants in the late 1940s and 1950s. The lack of "hard Aaprtheid" by the National Party could also lead to an earlier...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I have more, if you all are still interested... El Paso, Texas - I have no idea if this is accurate, but to quote from Wikipedia: If is true, and combined with the Southern Trans-Continental Railway PoD mentioned earlier, then you could easily see El Paso as one of the Top Three cities in...
  16. History Learner

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Theres a book that argues it but I cannot for the life of me remember what it is called now.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    IIRC, Warsaw was like 90% destroyed by 1945. Vilnius is also still like 50% Polish, so it staying within Poland would also likely make it much better off, as part of Poland making it a prestige project to really seal the deal. I've also seen it argued that the current trend of affluent coasts...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I mean exactly as I said, in that the loss of New Orleans would propel Mobile as the premier commercial port on the Gulf, at least until Houston arises most likely. Industry is very important-that's why in my list I cited Muscle Shoals and Chicago getting the auto industry for example-but...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    From The Rise and the Fall of Argentina: Obviously, no matter what PoD you pick, Buenos Aires would be a world class city in general and especially so for South America.
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    The Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth in the early 1600s? Yeah, I'd imagine that would impact a lot of Eastern European development, especially as far as cities. The extension of Western Slavic culture into Ukraine and Belarus would, alone, change quite a bit.
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