1. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    You're confused on the point; the Americans, Dutch and Nords all wanted to trade with Germany in non military goods like foodstuffs and cotton for the United States. Britain cannot justify being opposed to the Turkish restricting trade, as is their legal right through their own territorial...
  2. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    @sillygoose Can you give us some insight here? I know this is an area of your expertise.
  3. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    But the Dutch and Americans were not belligrent and sought to continue non-material trade with Germany, which is precisely the point. Britain could not attack the Ottomans for this and then do it to the Americans, who were historically quite upset over the whole deal. Montenegro is further...
  4. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Possible, off the top of my head the Austro-Hungarian Army, by itself, had 49 divisions in 1914 not counting the Honved and Austrian others. Mobilization had likewise been underway for almost a year by the time of Italian entry.
  5. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    The British blockade impeding Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish and American shipping to Germany from 1914-1917 says hi. Again, what you consider hostile was not necessarily considered hostile back then; there was far more legal room on this issue back then. Non existent and ignores that in 1915 the...
  6. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    The Ottomans closed the straits historically in August of 1914 before they entered the war, and given this was their territorial waters, it was well within international norms. You seem to be confusing the Post Montreux Convention with the situation that existed before, with said Treaty changing...
  7. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    The Austro-Hungarians didn't need a bailout, the Serbians were already on the brink and the Anglo-French could not rotate forces in. The Germans specifically went in as a means of influencing the other Balkan nations and getting aid to the Ottomans. If additional forces are needed, the lack of...
  8. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    The Straits would be closed, yes, and Bulgaria still has a Pro-German political orientation matched up with territorial claims on Serbia resulting from the Balkan Wars. Romania and the Ottomans remain Pro-CP neutrals, Greece is still the same mess; if you are suggesting Anglo-French resources...
  9. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    Basically the Germans sent an entire army (the 11th) in the Fall of 1915 to the Balkans to knock out the Serbs and help get aid flowing to the Ottomans. Basically what I'm suggesting here is that the lack of Central Power force drain to Italy and the Balkans is sufficient to maul the Russian...
  10. History Learner

    What would be the impact if *both* Italy and the Ottoman Empire remained neutral throughout all WWI?

    The Central Powers win in 1915 or 1916; no need to support the Ottomans and no diversion of Austrian forces to fight Italy means the Gorlice Tarnow Offensive develops in such a way the Russian Army is mauled instead of the largely successful Great Retreat, enabling Imperial Germany to send their...
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