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Eh, as I said I'm not sure its really a distinction with much of a difference. But, I think I'm developing the nuances of my thinking. I more or less still agree with the initial arguments put forward by the initial argument, namely that libertarians/liberals, which you yourself seem to use...

eh, it seems like a distinction without a difference. I was born on this plot of soil. I can do nothing but move through it. Plenty of the place I go, I am compelled to be. I have a whole bunch of obligations and responsibilities into which I am born, and I have no authority or right to...

Oh, I certainly don't have that evidence to prove my point either, simply pointing out that what you provided does not seem to prove your point either. And I've been libertarian long enough to be suspicious of the official narrative. Its quite possible your right, what you gave simply isn't...

While thats a lot of info, it doesnt seem to have the information necessary actually determine what I asked, namely relative risk, and how it changed. As far as I could tell, it mostly just said it didn't go away until it was banned, but says nothing of frequency and danger level, or especially...

In that case, everyone has an unlimited right to agress according to the principle, which makes it somewhat mute, no? Everyone is agressed on all the time. As as you've said, other people agrees against other people, which gives you as a third party the right to agress against whichever party...

I think we've missed the obvious lossy jaw solution: what if we reached optimal level of lossy jaw? From my recollection, by the time it was banned you already had a higher safety measures so it took a lot of breaches of protocols to actually get lossy jaw from the work. It wasnt safe safe, but...

@Abhorsen , well, let's look at specific policies. Why was segregation bad? If the black is different than the white, why should the black not be treated differently from the white? Are you pro universal sufferage? Why? Doesnt universal voting allow everyone to agreed on everyone else? How is...

Are Reason.com and Milton Freedman not real libertarians at this point? Edit What about you and the libertarian party? Rember, your one of the libertarians that being a handmaiden to socialism reminded me of. Edit edit Remember I did train in economics under an Austrian economics libertarian...

Hm, speaking of the Jedi code, I think there was something like this we saw play out when Sagon, not sure how seriously, defended the Sith, looking just at the doctrines of the two mostly and declaring the Sith not bad. This I think might be called something like axiomic philosophy...

Eh, the seriousness of pro freedomness of the current Libertarian party is, questionable. They're much more a tool of pro leftism and anti rightism. This is much more of a thread, at least initially, trying to look at what a thing actually is, rather than what it claims to be. If we went by...

Hm, I think part of the problem is, at base, we do live in a world of theft and violence. The initiation of violence is a part of life and existence. For example, how does a libertarian handle such a basic idea as "spare the rod, spoil the child?". How is the child supposed to be disciplined? If...

Fat people hurt me through their existance, therefore aggression against them is justified. I'm sure Hitler could point to a 100 ways the jews were harmful to Germany. NAP really doesnt say anything particularly profound besides do good things and dont do bad things. Or, it more or less...

Is it though? Like, what is the individual vs collectivism divide on families being good? What's the individualism vs collectivism of equality? It's a consideration, but I'm not sure its the consideration, or even a particularly important one.

Hm, I was resistant to calling it a disagreement over over economics, because I thought that really makes into a much more academic issue than it really is. But, thinking on it, a disagreement over physics would be quite a fundamental disagreement about how the world works, which seems to...

Yeah, to the degree people like abhorsen represent mainstream libertarian/liberal thought, its fairly handmainly to socialism. Abhorsen, you were actually one of the people that came to mind initially when I was firat watching the videos. My sense of you is that on your moral principles your a...

Which then come down to what i've been trying to ferit out, why? What moral principle is a libertarian is asserting that supports removal of Jim Crow, but does not support the removal of national boarders? The libertarians that ive interacted with, and have made arguments in this thread, seem...

I'm saying the legal arguments are boring and pointless, law is downstream of political power. The Law will be either pro Jim Crow or Anti Jim Crow depending on what the powers that be wish to be. The moral arguments which effect what people wish to be are interesting, and it's those underlying...

New York stands in for Rome and more clearly states the separate cultural/ethnic group enforcing the rules on the other parts of the federation. Same point in alternating between saying "Brussels did x" vs saying "Germany did x", even if both are nominally done by brussels. Same reason we say...

Hm, this seems to be in the vein of a Roe vs Wade level arguement. Excluding the 14th and 15th ammendments, which were literally forced upon the South by New York/Washington on account of the whole, losing a war thing, you seem to be arguing that laws which considered slavery acceptable would...

yeah, segregation and discriminations are definitely different than slavery. I sometimes think the instinct to automatically emote at it as bad without any real thought drives a similar instinct in more leftist circles to emote negatively at nationalism and nations, which are basically...