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  1. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Prussia was absolutist on paper (no more absolute than a fair few of its neighbours), but for much of the 19th century the lion's share of the power was held by the Chancellor. The German Empire Bismarck created was far more of a Constitutional Monarchy, for all its faults, than an absolute one...
  2. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    To add to this, there's a reason the initial French Revolutionaries, whilst still monarchists of a stripe, had a raging boner for England's Parliamentary Monarchy. Absolutism or excess in anything is the undoing of all things, and Louis XIV's rotten legacy left France in tatters.
  3. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Depends. If they want to live in a civilisation and not Somalia, they'll probably need to observe it at least.
  4. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Keeping the free market in mind, especially for small and medium sized businesses, is fundamentally a good idea. Low tax, low intervention economies clearly do the best. However, sometimes the Government does have to step in. Businesses doing very stupid shit need to be slapped around from time...
  5. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    That's probably not going back far enough for the origins of that sentiment. It likely predates Sumer and Akkad.
  6. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Libertarianism=liberty Liberty=freedom And it would seem freedom=prosperity. Look, I understand. You have a problem with the post-1945 order. So do I. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater will not make things any better. That aside, the primary problem isn't liberty, it's an...
  7. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Indeed, libertarianism creates economic prosperity. It is not driven by economic prosperity.
  8. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    0_0 Good grief, I never realised it was that bad.
  9. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    In fairness, I think he's talking about the Jim Crow laws instead of Slavery. Those laws were rather shit, but they aren't the same thing as slavery.
  10. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Where did I say that? Jim Crow laws being codified law sets an alarming precedent. If a person wants to be an asshole, that's down to them (and to an extent, the business they own), but state enforced assholery? That's intolerable.
  11. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    No. "Rules for thee but not for me" are an affront to Common Law. Do they? England seemed to manage that not too badly for a few hundred years. By the way, have you at all stopped to consider that enforcing discriminatory laws requires an, if not more, intrusive government as well? The Jim...
  12. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    A free market on a more national instead of global scale? That's essentially my stance on it too. Again, not a bleeding heart libertarian (Hi, misplaced in time 19th century High Tory here). I'd actually put in a tariff or two to protect home grown British industry, but not enough to be a...
  13. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Because citizens of the United States were being denied rights held by their fellow countryman on account of their skin colour. That is unjust.
  14. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    What logical next step? Equal rights is mission accomplished for libertarians, but like what seems to be all pre-20th century political ideology, they haven't got a clue how to deal with socialists (in their case, primarily because that would involve exercising power to stop these people, and...
  15. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Because the liberals of yesteryear got caught napping and the left, as always, stole the word (they love word games). Perhaps it's high time that was taken back?
  16. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Again, this is ascribing points to the ideology that most of its adherents (American leftists are not liberals. Stop taking part in lefty word games) probably don't believe. In the mind of a liberal, economic liberty serves the liberty of wider society, to make men free. A true liberal worth...
  17. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Hence why those systems flourished for thousands of years. God damn, when in terms of human happiness and justice the Bronze Age has got it beaten outright, you know Communism is shit. This also adds credence to the argument of "you can have a flourishing civilisation without going overboard...
  18. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Neither. I have libertarian leanings, but I am not a point blank libertarian. I just take issue with attributes being rather unfairly ascribed to them. OG Classical Liberals were Christians, and quite fervent about it (the founding fathers brought up god, a lot). Adam Smith, as father of...
  19. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Most liberals with any stones would shoot that down in good order because equality before the law is the only real equality that can be achieved. Equality of outcome is a fantasy, and a dangerous one at that simply due to the skill set of the individual leading to unique outcomes. How, in any...
  20. Lord Sovereign

    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    I'm not a bleeding heart libertarian (indeed, I reckon I've got High Tory leanings), but this is a tad bit unfair. When liberals say "equality", they mean "equality before the law" which is a world away from socialism's "equality of outcome." This is, in part, what I think the matter of gay...
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