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  1. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    I'm not confident that the political and cultural left won't decide that once it actually works, it's just as dangerous and nasty as Fission. Because practically speaking, fission can and has been doing everything we want from fusion for seventy years. Also, even if this does produce useful...
  2. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    How many people died or had their lifespan seriously reduced by Three Mile Island?
  3. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    Eh, I don't particularly mind. It might end up as wasted money, but they're not trying to force anyone to do anything, so even if it does end up as a waste, this wouldn't even rise to the level of 'minor nuisance.' If this was what leftists focused on, we'd be in a much happier place than we...
  4. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    Huh. That's a weird one; not sure if there's anywhere this is an observed problem outside of a lab though?
  5. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    Yes, I'm sure that this time they'll actually be right. That this time the 'mistaken understanding' that means we need to turn over control of the majority of our lives to the government right now or we're all doomed won't be wrong. This time they finally have it right! No. This is not...
  6. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    With you, the problem is generally your blind repetition of arguments and simply insisting 'it's not like that!' With Bacle, he's just refusing to ignore the fact that forty years of lies have consequences in how willing conservatives are to believe the left about anything when it comes to the...
  7. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    I make a practice of reusing disposable plastics as much as reasonably possible. I use grocery bags instead of ziplocks (mostly), I re-use water/gatorade bottles until they're pretty much trashed, etc. The reasonable expectation to push culturally and politically for issues like this, is to be...
  8. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    The left has always been lying and wrong about the environment. Unless you can present some evidence that proves otherwise, you're not going to convince any right-wingers. 'But a lot of voters care about this issue!' Isn't going to persuade conservatives to pander to them, only RINOs. Our...
  9. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    So, @Bacle I've taken the time to read through this thread again, due to desire to have some discussion about what you think conservatives should be doing in regards to the environment. Now, I've seen discussion of some things that are good ideas (and some that very much are not), but I've not...
  10. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    There's a decent point about apex predators dangerous to humans and livestock being seriously depopulated. That's far from the environment as a whole though. As to such dangerous animals, 'super zoos' would be the obvious solution; basically large plots of land with enclosed habitats for them...
  11. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    This is a false conflict. Careless industrialism and urbanization can cause serious problems, yes. Reasonable care, precautions, and conscientiousness will keep environmental disruption to a minimum, and have little to no macro-scale impact. 'Humanity vs the environment' as a law is just...
  12. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    A lot of people have addressed the strawman of 'conservatives don't care about the environment' pretty well here, I'll just raise two additional points: 1. The lifestyles of the political and media elites who preach about 'saving the environment' make it obvious they're lying. Massive estates...
  13. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    In my experience, they're more likely to be ignored because all the attention is on 'climate change,' than lumped in with it. That might just be a regional difference, though. I'm in the Great Lakes area, so depleted aquifier isn't a big going concern up here.
  14. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    I've been very suspicious of the 'global warming' people since the early/mid 2000's, and completely disbelieved them since the East Anglia/CRU scandal. Conservatives have been calling it for decades, because it's been bogus literally the entire time. What's sad is how many people honestly buy...
  15. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    It's been a while, but I recall reading about some interesting applications thereof, particularly for a couple sites (I believe the first test-build was somewhere in Florida) where they were burning trash in bulk, and when they burned it hot enough, they both 'burned down' waste gasses to fairly...
  16. LordsFire

    Conservatism and the Environment

    So, I am what is apparently a rare breed these days; I don't buy the idea that there's such a thing as man-caused climate-change in the first place. I'm old enough to remember hearing about this stuff back in the 90's. I've been following political matters since before I was even a teen, and...
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