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  1. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    I'll also comment on this part, because while this accurately describes the results, it's very important that it's recognized only the bolded is actually requisite of the original ideology. Calling it "Right-wing" is, accounting for historic alliances, a matter of feverish distancing to avoid...
  2. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    DirtbagLeft, the point of mentioning how Leftism meets the "14 traits" is to demonstrate the poor quality of that method because it does not define Fashism in particular. It's a poor list because it applies to a lot of other things, not because it fails to describe Fascism. You explaining how it...
  3. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    Fuck's sake, we had dissertations about the religious basis for respecting transgenderism from a literal monarchist. This place is not a home of stereotypes. Also, I consider transgenderism a mental illness specifically because I see "bottom surgery" as something that isn't pointless. Because...
  4. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    The thing about categorizing Fascism that needs understood is that the Nazis were only moderately overlapping, as they weren't actually particularly traditionalist, unlike the Italian or Spanish Fascists, nor were they nearly as rhetorically flexible. The original version did come out of a...
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    The Nazi's socialist?

    You can drive at 16, vote at 18, and drink at 21, at least here in Michigan. People in the US do, in fact, have degrees of autonomy, as dictated by actions they are legally allowed to take, as it is recognized that decision making is a gradual improvement. Not some magical switchboard you use...
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    The Nazi's socialist?

    There's two example cases where it does become complicated, in the case of the Middle East. Age of consent varies, and they do punish statutory rape, albeit with a considerably different definition of the term, beyond the obvious age. Molestation is perfectly permitted, with prohibitions only...
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    The Nazi's socialist?

    How do you square that with the position of "I'm taking my family, with agreement of all adults, out of Leftist society" being a grave sin? You do not get to do with others as you please, so you also don't get to shove people in a group and force that group to follow a particular view, nor do...
  8. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    So how's that going to accomplish the goal? Given that the aforementioned baptize-in-shit approach didn't actually work reliably. Or Mao's actual mass killings. Or the Holocaust, even. Gulags, re-education camps, mass propaganda, it's all actually quite ineffective at changing culture, so what...
  9. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    No, no, it's just finding something more mind-shatteringly humiliating than shoving their face in sewage on a daily basis to do to them to break them from their faith... Forcefully separating every child from their parents and utterly demonizing every "undesirable" value...
  10. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    Your quote was that Lenin stated Soviet Russia was in a "transitory state", but did not include the desired end. As Lenin was a Marxist, the end goal was Communism, so he would have considered it transitory were it Socialism, and this is beared out by the fact he named the USSR the United Soviet...
  11. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    ...What universe do you live in that you can describe Stalin as "right wing"? That you can attribute authoritarianism as predominantly "Right Wing" and Libertarianism as "Left Wing"? I suppose that if you're willfully ignoring the last fucking century in your categorization, it makes some shred...
  12. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    So we're playing the game of you alone defining what "true socialism" is? Marx very much didn't hold such a view of socialism, because he defined that end state by the separate term of communism to distinguish between approach and completion, a vital measure of actually implementing those...
  13. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    This is the problem. You, an anarchistic socialist if I understand you correctly (also known by the terminology of the Marxist philosophy all this came from as being Communist), are attempting to impose your specific, ideologically purposed definitions, while the rest of the thread is trying to...
  14. Morphic Tide

    The Nazi's socialist?

    Mutualism by way of self-interest only follows if the bulk population operates in a specific kind of enlightened self interest, where they'll consider their personal descendants a higher value than their individual self, or other such matters of what literally every other strain of thought would...
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