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  1. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    You were saying that the odds were 10^230 of the DNA in a chromosome forming over the lifespan of the Earth if it were made entirely of "ingredients". 10^787,952 is an input into the formulae in question, compared to 10^28,122,212 for Chromosome 21 (to use the specific smallest human...
  2. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    The turbidity shift of developing a mechanism to process sucrose as a nutrient was so massive that the researchers' first thought was that it HAD to be contamination. Took them a while to pin down what the fuck happened. The fossils show morphologies that do not exist today, with the dates...
  3. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    How, exactly, are your arguments anything beyond "It Does Not Have All The Answers, Therefor It's Wrong"? As opposed to infinitesimal as with an omniscient creator, a counter-point you simply dismissed with "of course the supernatural doesn't follow natural law"? And you're still clinging to...
  4. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    ...Your argument is entirely about complex systems only arising from intelligent design. The nature of "complexity" as used in the relevant mathematics that are part of your reason for this conclusion is extremely bloody important. Useful systems are, by definition, reliant on regularities, and...
  5. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    LordsFire was the person I was responding to in the first place, you're the one who decided to butt in with general theology trends. Just the flip side of statements like this: It is, because LordsFire is making the exact same pure-improbability argument about abiogenesis. So if it's...
  6. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Has LordsFire not made numerous arguments on the basis of exactly this accusation, that science is wrong because it does not have a complete answer, and therefor it must be the Christian God filling that gap? I am bitching at someone discarding abiogenesis for mere improbability and lack of a...
  7. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    What definition of "complexity" are you using? Because I'm pretty damned sure that the definition used by probability is about the pure convolution of the thing completely irrespective of usefulness. The most "complex" book is the densest and hardest to describe mass of pure randomness, not an...
  8. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    You don't. Conditions creating vaguely reliable yet utterly random DNA (or RNA) synthesis mechanisms mean the odds go up dramatically, because the odds of genetic material forming have risen enormously. Proto-cells that would never accept selective permeability sufficient for recognizable...
  9. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    You'd previously stated this: And this was your original response to my mention of the difference in scale: You are literally making contradictory arguments. You dismissed it previously with the woeful misunderstanding that the function could be linear in nature, where removing orders of...
  10. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    …Lysenkoism is still evolution, just not the accepted genetic mutation version. That's one of the big problems with disproving "the theory of evolution", because it isn’t actually one extremely specific set of material observations, it's a broad idea about how variation in life came about.
  11. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    You posited a part that is vastly more complex than remotely necessary for the function it performs, meaning your numbers will be enormously lower than reality. Given that any equation for such an estimate I can think of is going to be combinatorial growth, removing five orders of magnitude...
  12. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    The point I'm making is that this bar is actually incredibly low. You can, in fact, have a considerable amount of resources wasted on developing new clotting mechanisms before losing previous ones that became redundant. Redundant reproduction producing increased variety leading to that variety...
  13. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    There's a lot of things that can be profoundly fucked up without actually ending a population, because evolution is actually survival of the good enough. It tends towards increased fitness because such has higher reproductive success, but less-fit organisms do not automatically die. For one...
  14. Morphic Tide

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    That the current state cannot function with further reductions does not provide any logical proof that a process of iteration cannot generate it. Carving arches into solid stone comes to mind, wind and water can do this as nothing but simple mechanical outcomes of physical laws. Evolution can...
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