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Hmm ... fascism sounds an awful lot like socialism without universalism and without the idea of a utopian end-state to me ... i.e., socialism without the parts taken from Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos He was literally just spitballing!

What do you think? He's all but outright said he believes this meme about the "Christian dark ages":

He claimed the Matrix was a socialist work, and I'm critiquing it as one to show that it's not.

If the Matrix is a socialist allegory as my interlocutor claims, the machines are certainly an allegory for the "exploiting capitalists".

He didn't do experiments to confirm his hypotheses, nor did he seek independent verification for his "findings". Both of which are critical to the scientific method. You're just further demonstrating you don't know what it is. Formal astronomy was invented about 2 or 3 thousand years before...

It even sucks as satire of totalitarianism, since Verhoeven forgot to give his Terran Federation any totalitarian substance.

It reminds me of the SST movie defenders saying "ooh Verhoeven understands fascism so well because he was a kid in occupied Europe". Well, apparently his childhood in occupied Europe convinced him of the absurd idea that the USA was just as bad as Nazi Germany and he continued to believe so at...

Because he knows better than us. We dirty plebs must follow his enlightened guidance as to the ideal way to live.

I guess he thinks he would take over the world all at once?

He has. It boils down to one of two options according to him: "let the tankies take over first and take the brunt of the fighting, then jump in to take them out" or "join the tankies in a revolutionary coalition to bring down society, but make sure to backstab them before they backstab us".

The neurosurgeon gets more money than the ditch-digger because his skills are more in demand than those of the latter and hence his work is more valuable. Because of this he has more to spend and hence has more room to buy luxury goods such as a larger house, for instance, and all the social...

Really? What I have observed is that every claim you've made on an empirical matter has been wrong. You were wrong when you said Aristarchus invented modern science, and further demonstrated by that that you don't know what science actually is. You were wrong when you called early 20th century...

But equalising wages like that just leads us back into the problem Hayek identified. Why do the hard job when the easy one pays as well? Either socialism doesn't do away with inequality - its main selling point - or socialism relies on slave labour. Of course, in all practical concerns it does both.

That runs headfirst into the law of supply and demand. More prestigious and rarer skills like neurosurgery will always be in demand more than say, being able to dig a ditch, and hence attract higher wages without the distortive effect of the state forcing wages to be equalised.

The only socialist art I've seen is smotheringly didactic literature plus portrayals of uber-manly heroic Workers(TM) doing uber-manly heroic things (v. similar to fascist art in that regard). I'm not impressed, to say the least.

Also lol at the idea that "reactionaries" as Dirtbag defines it have created nothing of value in the arts. We literally have the world's top bestseller ever - if that isn't an achievement, nothing is!

I'm not sure how that works, since Eco's points are vague and subjectively defined to the point they can be used for any political movement. Just ten thousand more tries people! I mean, even in a socialist takeover he loses. Because the tankies being better at organising and more prepared...

If "pre-emptive strike because I feel threatened" is a justifiable act of violence morally ... that considerably widens the field.

Eco's list isn't even that - it's a list of traits which are so loosely and subjectively defined as to be applicable to any political movement. Even he in his essay describing it didn't even call it a definition of fascism, but a guide to "movements which may or may not become fascist in the...